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And yes, I do think that some people do not believe in God but live life decently. God looks at the heart more than He does the mind, so could it be that an unbeliever could be saved? Maybe, maybe.
Last point - again - God looks at the heart - if someone can live for Jesus/goodness, then can a person live for goodness without knowledge of Jesus... Surely.

But he still condemns non-believers, so how is that just? How is that a representation of goodness?

so could it be that an unbeliever could be saved? Maybe, maybe.

Are you telling me he is an indecisive god? Or that you are unsure if he would save non-believers?

I asked if he would, since he said he'd be happy to cease to exist.

Fair enough. I stand corrected on this point.

Once and that's it? How can you be sure? But he said ceasing to exist would basically be a delight. Could it be that he would be happy as he was killing himself - and when he actually ceased to exist he would stop being happy - 'resting' from all that happiness.

When you commit suicide, the object is to kill yourself. How can you possibly do it more then once? If you say "attempted suicide" then ok you can do that more then once. And in any case, Ace already explained himself above so I'll leave it at that.

The question is why do I choose life over death when some choose differently? God makes life worthwhile to me. Some people kill themselves to put themselves out of their own misery. If you have a reason to live (i.e. if you are connected to other lives {e.g. children, wife, friends, God}) then misery is tolerable. If you have no reason for existing, then how could your misery be tolerable? Also, if a person cannot tolerate misery, then how could they be moral - they would seek pleasure/relief instead. But if God is real, then we'd always have a point - through everything - better than pleasure seeking and self-serving...being with God is worth all the misery in the world.

But what if god doesn't even exist? (I use "what if" to be fair) If he doesn't exist, the only options left are your friends and family which are the people that I live for. You are choosing to base your main reason for living solely on god. I ask again, what if you are wrong about his existence? Will you end your life then since there is nothing else for you to live for? You cannot even prove that he exists can you? If you do, I definitely am keen to hear more.

If it was only my perspective that one choice is better than the other - why did you tell me that God was forceful (as in forcing one option over another)? Yes, others don't see it in the same way, but apparently you do.

I do what? See it in the same way? God, in the bible, is forceful. He doesn't let us choose even though he claims that we can. Either you follow him or face condemnation. The evidence is everywhere. Ask anyone here and they will tell you the same.