Atheism

[fr0d0]

Welcome back Sam. Thankyou for taking over Kyu's argument. He was making a complete ass of himself as usual.

So you believe that because your definition is widely accepted it is correct?

Not at all. I merely balance Kyu's attempt top weaken the argument by suggesting this point is unique to me, when patently it is a basic tenet of Christian belief.

After all their reasoning and 'evidence' have been refuted they retreat to a definition of God which is 'Outside nature/the universe & Non-Temporal'. Under this definition they give Theology de facto validity whilst removing the need for verifiable proof or at least realistic reasoning.

You presume that I didn't start with the assertion that God is non temporal; his reasoned nature makes this explicit. So to consider validatable evidence like it ever was anything to do with the subject would be absurd. If your definition of god is non temporal. Then great. Knock yourself out beating down your particular strawman. I'll be sure to stand in the sidelines and cheer you on.

Would it not seem entirely logical to you that a 'God' which is 'Outside' the universe would be unable to interfere with it? I mean, we know that we cannot fix the position of an atom & know it's direction as the act of observing it changes it's state and this is caused by a (relatively) small variance in spatial scale! Surely the same must be held true for being interfering in realms that are not their own!

Again you assume something 'not God'. As before. knock yourself out. When you're done perhaps you could seriously consider my God and we can discuss it.

1. limit God's omnipotence by ruling that he's not powerful enough to hide his tracks.
2. limit your understanding of what would constitute an act of God

This confused me ... Omnipotence = All Powerful? Why would such a being need to leave tracks to cover up? It seems you cannot even grasp your own God 'Concept'! My argument is that God's act of covering his tracks would again require interference in a realm not his own and therefore generate more tracks ad infinitum

Well spotted. Of course that summation is ridiculous. Thank you for clearing that one up for us.

To be honest the only evidence I would take for the existence of 'God' would be; If the entire universe collapsed, then re-expanded without any of loosing or lives or suffering at all ... Or maybe if Armagedon actually happened? lol

So tell me how these would prove the existence of God to you. How you wouldn't find naturalistic/ how you wouldn't add it to our understanding of the physical universe.

The answer is you couldn't accept any evidence. You also couldn't as Kyu has been asserting, base your disbelief in God on the grounds of lack of evidence. It is illogical.