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Did Mohammad exist?
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RE: Did Mohammad exist?
(July 31, 2012 at 3:51 am)Tearjerker Wrote: @Rayaan, so did Christianity but that doesn't prove anything. History is written by conquerors and often changed at their leisure. But, for some sick and twisted reason, I believe he existed I just can't blindly dismiss his existence even if I don't believe everything that's considered historical fact as facts and evidence of what he was all about. But he was a man, and a leader, that I accept, rest of the holier than thou mumbojumbo I do not. I do not think of him as a prophet, he was just another man exploiting the ma's basic needs, sex, violence and the sense of bondage to his own benefits whatever those benefits were. I refuse to believe he did not exist because It offends me and further humiliates me to be the victim of a nation fallen to a fictional myth.

Those are your own opinions, but I cannot prove that any of that is wrong either.

At least we both believe that he existed. Wink

(July 31, 2012 at 3:51 am)Tearjerker Wrote: Islam was spread to other regions not because that people in those region voluntarily accepted Islam, but it was forced upon them through war and savagery, through the fear of death and pillage and rape. Much like Christianity during the era of church dominance. Remember what Christians did to Europeans, specially Scandinavians? Muslims did all that Iran to Spain. War is the keyword here.

Islam may have spread through war and savagery (to a certain extent), but that was never required nor encouraged unless it was provoked by the other side. The important thing to know is that Muslims are strictly prohibited to start a war and/or fight against non-Muslims except for the purpose of self-defense. An Islamic state is not allowed to fight non-Muslims who are not hostile to Islam, who do not oppress Muslims, or try to convert Muslims by force from their religion, or expel them from their lands, or wage war against them, or prepare for attacks against them, as the Quran says, "Thus, if they let you be, and do not make war on you, and offer you peace, God does not allow you to harm them" (4:90).

In fact, according to what I know, the Prophet Muhammad granted the citizens of an Islamic state the freedom to practice their own religion as long as they sign a pact of non-aggression and pay taxes as demanded by the state. During that time, there were many examples of Christians, Jews, and other religious communities flourishing under Islamic rule without being forced to live as Muslims. You can find more information about this in a book entitled "The Jews of Islam," by Bernard Lewis.

(July 31, 2012 at 3:51 am)Tearjerker Wrote: PS: and by the way I corrected this line for ya "who where his WIVES and children." he also had a lot of concubines.

Yes, but that doesn't show anything negative about him. Why? Because the fact that Muhammad had multiple wives does not mean that he was sexually hyperactive nor anything like that. On the contrary, that has nothing to do with it because most of the wives that he had were widows whom he married during times of war to protect them. The latter life of the Prophet consisted of years of wars for the emerging Muslim nation, when Muslims had to fight in self-defense to protect their lives and their religion. Consequently, hundreds of his companions were killed, leaving behind widows and orphans without anyone left to care for them. So, that's why Muhammad set an example for the surviving companions by remarrying the widows in order to support them.

(July 31, 2012 at 3:51 am)Tearjerker Wrote: Either you fast in Ramadan, or you better die before drinking in public. This is very fresh I dunno which part of this forsaken country it's happened but it happened.



Well, I do not know what is the story behind that picture nor who did that and/or what really happened. So, I have no comments on that right now.
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Did Mohammad exist? - by Bahraini - July 28, 2012 at 4:41 pm
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by Minimalist - July 28, 2012 at 4:42 pm
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by Bahraini - July 28, 2012 at 5:30 pm
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by 5thHorseman - July 28, 2012 at 5:57 pm
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by Bahraini - July 30, 2012 at 11:46 am
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by Minimalist - July 31, 2012 at 12:27 am
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by ManOnMoon - August 24, 2012 at 5:31 am
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by Napoléon - July 28, 2012 at 4:56 pm
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by padraic - July 28, 2012 at 7:04 pm
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by Faith No More - July 28, 2012 at 7:13 pm
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by padraic - July 28, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by padraic - July 30, 2012 at 11:20 pm
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by Bahraini - July 31, 2012 at 5:05 pm
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by Minimalist - July 31, 2012 at 5:07 pm
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by KnockEmOuttt - July 30, 2012 at 11:28 pm
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by padraic - July 30, 2012 at 11:35 pm
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by downbeatplumb - July 31, 2012 at 8:04 am
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by Rayaan - July 31, 2012 at 3:06 am
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by Tearjerker - July 31, 2012 at 3:51 am
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by Rayaan - July 31, 2012 at 5:48 am
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by FallentoReason - July 31, 2012 at 7:47 am
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by Minimalist - July 31, 2012 at 10:55 am
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2012 at 11:22 am
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by Minimalist - July 31, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by MysticKnight - July 31, 2012 at 11:30 am
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2012 at 11:41 am
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by Rayaan - July 31, 2012 at 1:53 pm
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2012 at 1:57 pm
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2012 at 5:07 pm
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by Bahraini - July 31, 2012 at 5:31 pm
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by FallentoReason - July 31, 2012 at 7:12 pm
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by The Grand Nudger - July 31, 2012 at 7:13 pm
RE: Did Mohammad exist? - by Minimalist - August 30, 2012 at 10:32 pm

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