RE: a question for atheists
August 5, 2012 at 4:17 pm
(This post was last modified: August 5, 2012 at 4:21 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 5, 2012 at 4:07 pm)laurent Wrote: you can imagine other consciousness living on planet which look like hell
Yeah, sure, I can imagine that, but I don't have to, there are lifeforms here that exist in environments which are very much like "hell". I'm not sure what my imagination would have to do with luck though....? Honestly, I've probably seen places that people exist in (not some strange lifeform at the bottom of an ocean or what have you) that would very accurately fit descriptions of "hell".
Quote:if we are entirely of flesh we obey entirely to the laws of nature so our freedom is just us being fooled because we dont see what influence us
Well, we are composed "entirely of flesh" no matter what way you cut it. Whether or not something is "fooling us" doesn't change that. I think what you're trying to express here is the fear or suspicion of hard determinism. On that count I can't help you (and as far as I'm aware no one can).
Quote:actually you cant prove that other people are conscious, you can only know that you are conscious
you are just assuming that they are conscious because they look like you
Sure, we could invoke solipsism if you like, but that isn't troubling for me, it;s troubling for anyone, yourself included. To be fair, it isn't nearly as troubling for me as it might be for what you seem to be suggesting. I merely modify my statement to "in this illusion". Can you do the same?
Quote:fooled by ourself about our freedom
Freedom from what? The "laws of nature" (as per the above)..? If someone imagined that they were somehow over or above them then sure, they're being fooled, but only by themselves. Definitely doesn't mean that we're all being fooled. I'm certainly not fooling myself on that count, are you?
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