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Do your beliefs imply a Necessary being exists?
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RE: Do your beliefs imply a Necessary being exists?
(August 10, 2012 at 1:05 am)Categories+Sheaves Wrote: Neat linky, fun exercise. After ~3 run-throughs I managed to get a weaker result
necessarybeing.net Wrote:Congratulations! Your answers appear to have an interesting implication: they imply that you have a (prima facie) reason to think that there is (more likely than not) a Necessary Being.

Which I will consider a small victory for the anti-necessary being crowd.
Modal logic is tricky. Especially with necessary beings eating up all the 'possible' operators Tongue
(August 9, 2012 at 11:07 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: If you can't prove existence itself is necessary how can you hope to prove a being must necessarily exist?
Without the assumption existence is necessary you can't make the claim a being can necessarily exist.
If he proves there is a necessary being, he has proven that something must necessarily exist. It's not like you have to prove A by itself before proving B just because A is a weaker statement than B.
(August 9, 2012 at 11:07 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: That'd be like me saying flight doesn't have to be necessary but someone necessarily needs to fly flies. Claiming the latter must assume the former.
Which is why a proof of the latter also proves the former Big Grin

You cannot prove the latter without first proving the former.
The former acts as a building block for the next claim, the latter does not prove the former. We can prove the former through the latter in the case of flight.
The case of a necessary being depends purely on "logic", there is no empirical evidence for this case at present. Fine, if thats what we're going by then thats what we're going by.
You must logically prove existence is necessary before claiming a being can necessarily exist and I don't think you can. :-)
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die." 
- Abdul Alhazred.
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RE: Do your beliefs imply a Necessary being exists? - by Reforged - August 10, 2012 at 11:59 am

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