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Do your beliefs imply a Necessary being exists?
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RE: Do your beliefs imply a Necessary being exists?
(August 10, 2012 at 4:13 pm)Categories+Sheaves Wrote: This is backwards imo. If A necessarily exists then something necessarily exists (e.g. A, at the bare minimum). If something must exist it's not true that there is one thing that necessarily exists; maybe it's necessary that either A or B exists, (but not necessarily one or the other) in which case we still don't obtain a 'necessary being'.

Why *must* something exist? Who says it *must*? Is there any such logic that conclusively proves that the existence of something, anything, *must* occur?
I went through the survey and found it to be precarious at best. I wanted an argument from Clive to justify this stance.
Instead I get an argument from you that seems to actually be against the existence of a necessary being.
I'm not entirely sure what you're using it on me for, I never claimed any such thing.
My point was that we would have to assume the existence of existence itself to be necessary to come to Clives conclusion which of course would be nigh impossible to prove with logic.
It would seem nothing is necessary in terms of existence, it matters very little whether we or anything else for that matter exists.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die." 
- Abdul Alhazred.
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RE: Do your beliefs imply a Necessary being exists? - by Reforged - August 10, 2012 at 5:22 pm

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