RE: The Need to Breed
August 13, 2012 at 11:58 pm
(This post was last modified: August 14, 2012 at 12:07 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 13, 2012 at 7:23 pm)Cinjin Wrote: In fairness, India's government has little interest in its citizens, let alone the over-population of the earth. As for China, I already said that their system isn't working. In truth, the only possible success that any government will have in controlling population is killing everybody off by one means or another.
It has to come from the people. Self-control/discipline, education, and the realization that voluntary sterilization is the only way to thin the herd without forcing the world's governments to kill us all. That and getting rid of religion. The religious fucktards of the world are a real problem. They're just not going to give up their idiotic beliefs about producing offspring for jesus (or whoever). It is not uncommon for a Muslim man to have 10 or more children. Devout christians and catholics of course, feel the same way - that god wants them to keep on breeding. People don't realize how much of a problem this is going to become. In only 10 to 12 years we will have another billion people and far more problems. Problems lead to dipshits praying and signing up for more god-save-us-shit ... ergo, more dipshits breeding for jesus.
I'm definitely for keeping the government out of the loop, but people are going to keep making excuses to keep procreating. Basically, the next generation is going to say the same thing the last did: "It's ok for everyone else, or possibly the next generation, but not me."
Therein lies the rub, no one would be forcing any government to kill anyone. The whole killing folks bit would remain as optional then as it is now. Why shouldn't the enforcers of this population control scheme just kill themselves to make way for a newborn? Laying aside my constant criticism of the idea of population control on the basis of faulty benchmarks - lets assume that we absolutely and unequivocally reached our limit. Leys assume that we could do no more, that we where stretched to threads. At that point, would we start enforcing this policy by violence? Well, judging by our sad history in this regard, probably. Let's be honest, we can't even seem to keep our hands out of each others pockets except by force, ultimately. Even petty crimes which do nothing to imperil humanity as a whole continue unabated. At that point (the point where we leverage force), let me ask you what would be worth saving Cinjin? In a world where human life is so many beans to be counted, what do we have to offer?
To me, the solutions we are likely to field for this problem, no matter how near or distant are so utterly dehumanizing that they leave me asking "who the fuck cares"? I could never tell someone that they just cant have another child. Couldn't bring myself to do it. I wouldn't listen if someone told me that I couldn't have another child. "The greater good" sounds awfully goddamned shitty in that scenario, definitely isn't a pitch that would work on me.
Now, as far as why people have so many children. It is pretty well established that economically dis-advatanged people tend to have more children. I do recall reading about a couple of interesting programs on that front (the location escapes me but you might be able to find more info). The quote "A tree is better than a son" stuck with me from one article I read about one program. However interesting outlayers aside having a large number of offspring is still a viable survival strategy for people with nothing. Kids (despite all the common wisdom to the contrary) are cheap. I couldn't lay the finger on religion for this one. Co-morbidity..lol, yeah, probably, but causal, idk.
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