RE: Christians
September 10, 2009 at 3:33 pm
(This post was last modified: September 10, 2009 at 3:36 pm by ecolox.)
(September 10, 2009 at 11:39 am)Ace Wrote:(September 10, 2009 at 11:21 am)ecolox Wrote: You are relying on the ignorant position - why do you think that suffices? It is honestly ignorant.
The supporting evidence for an ultimate cause is our existence. You are happy with ignorance. I know that there must be a cause, and I am seeking to explain what the cause must have been. God is what I have found to be true thus far.
Admitting to not knowing the answer is actually a smart intellectual responce. Our existence is not evidence of a creator. The universe is capable of existing without the need of a creator.
Anyway, that very argument can be used to support the FSM as much as god.
It is not evidence of god. Not knowing the answer isn't ignorance, it's without knowledge. I do not have the knowledge about the reasons of how and why the universe exists. I will not lie and start assuming I know the answer. That would be ignorant. I can only assume. That is honesty.
It's ignorant to claim to know the answer to everything without supporting evidence. You are making a huge claim without evidence to support it. It is you who is ignorant. Now, please give actual evidence of a god and afterlife.
Christians admit to not knowing the answer when they claim to have faith (they have a best guess, and they will (ideally) live as if they're sure). You assume that there is no reason for your existence because you don't know, and you assume that there is no god because you cannot see one. You then go on to make up your own reason for living that doesn't make any sense - because no one can live for no reason - you need something to grasp to... If everyone made up individualized reasons for existing then we would have conflict in the world, perhaps worse than we do - but if everyone accepted that God made this world and His will is for us to do unto others as we would be done by, then there could be no conflict.
I can give evidence for God that suffices for you as easily as you can give an explanation as to why you exist that suffices for me.
(September 10, 2009 at 12:53 pm)Ace Wrote: Anyway, if everything has a purpose then whats the purpose of god?
We can't explain the inside of the universe, much less the outside. I think it's reasonable to stop trying to explain things once we have explained the universe.
