(September 10, 2009 at 3:33 pm)ecolox Wrote: Christians admit to not knowing the answer when they claim to have faith (they have a best guess, and they will (ideally) live as if they're sure). You assume that there is no reason for your existence because you don't know, and you assume that there is no god because you cannot see one. You then go on to make up your own reason for living that doesn't make any sense - because no one can live for no reason - you need something to grasp to... If everyone made up individualized reasons for existing then we would have conflict in the world, perhaps worse than we do - but if everyone accepted that God made this world and His will is for us to do unto others as we would be done by, then there could be no conflict.
I can give evidence for God that suffices for you as easily as you can give an explanation as to why you exist that suffices for me.
*yawn* Strawman. That is not at all what we say. We don't believe in god because there is no evidence for it. There are plenty of things I believe in that I have never seen. For instance, I believe in black holes despite never having seen one. Our scientific data proves they exist.
You miss the point about everyone giving their live reason. These are simply values we place on experiences. I desire to live because I love interacting with my friends and family, I love my cat, food, roller coasters, etc... These reasons can be very simple to very complex.
And of course, if you're going to insist that we'd become selfish apes, you're wrong because it simply hasn't happened. We value our lives so we create a social construct in which murdering is wrong. This is how our laws and morals developed.
Statistics have shown that the healthiest societies are those that are more secular rather than less.
(September 10, 2009 at 3:33 pm)ecolox Wrote: We can't explain the inside of the universe, much less the outside. I think it's reasonable to stop trying to explain things once we have explained the universe.
What? This is a completely nonsensical statement. You're essentially admitting we don't have an answer, but hey! Let's stick God in there and call it a day! At least scientists are honest about what they don't know and are actively trying to know more about it, where your answer stunts intellectual growth and is effectively a non answer!
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." Benjamin Franklin
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