(September 10, 2009 at 3:33 pm)ecolox Wrote: Christians admit to not knowing the answer when they claim to have faith (they have a best guess, and they will (ideally) live as if they're sure). You assume that there is no reason for your existence because you don't know, and you assume that there is no god because you cannot see one. You then go on to make up your own reason for living that doesn't make any sense - because no one can live for no reason - you need something to grasp to... If everyone made up individualized reasons for existing then we would have conflict in the world, perhaps worse than we do - but if everyone accepted that God made this world and His will is for us to do unto others as we would be done by, then there could be no conflict.
I can give evidence for God that suffices for you as easily as you can give an explanation as to why you exist that suffices for me.
(September 10, 2009 at 12:53 pm)Ace Wrote: Anyway, if everything has a purpose then whats the purpose of god?
We can't explain the inside of the universe, much less the outside. I think it's reasonable to stop trying to explain things once we have explained the universe.
Quote:You assume that there is no reason for your existence because you don't knowI didn't say that. I said I do not know how the universe came into existence.
If you really want to know our purpose then it would be to ensure the existence of our species. This is our evolutionary purpose. Outside of that, there is no purpose. We don't have to like that answer but that is the way it is. We are not important to this planet or the universe. We are just another biological life form on this planet. We have no special purpose. The universe was not made for us.
A rock has no purpose. It is what it is. Alot of stones on beaches are round due to years of erosion by the water. That was not planned but it happened. A stone has no purpose in nature. You don't need to have a purpose in order to exist. A stone can have a purpose for us, we could use it as a weapon or something else but it would still have no purpose in nature.
Not everything has a purpose. We are not in a fairytale where everything has this purpose for something. Our evolutionary purpose is to survive and mate so to insure our species existence. There is no other purpose than that. You might not like that answer but our purpose is no different from any other animal on this planet. We are no more important than any other animal.
Quote:you assume that there is no god because you cannot see one.Wrong again. I need evidence. I don't have to see this god you speak of in order to believe it. I need evidence.
Quote:You then go on to make up your own reason for living that doesn't make any senseWell if your only purpose is to insure our species existence, your gonna make this life something more than just that. You can form your own purpose. It may not comply with our evolutionary purpose but it works. We understand that this life is all your going to get. So make something of it while you can. Simple!
Quote:because no one can live for no reasonwe are living for a reason. Our original reason is to insure our species existence. Since that is well taken care of we can pursue man made purposes. Read above.
Quote:If everyone made up individualized reasons for existing then we would have conflict in the worldHay! you're right. Those terrorists who flew planes into the 2 towers already had their purposes didn't they? Kill innocent people so to get into heaven and how about the inquisitors who's purpose was to torture heretics to death for their loving god. Yep, you sure got that part right.
Quote:but if everyone accepted that God made this world and His will is for us to do unto others as we would be done by, then there could be no conflict.
Why suddenly say god did it without evidence. Isn't that a little arrogant. What makes you so sure god did it? What makes you so sure he exists? Also which religion? Which god?
What EVIDENCE? What makes us more special than anything else, what makes you think we have some special purpose?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
