The Need to Breed

[The Grand Nudger]

The "bolded bit" is not knowably impossible at this time.

Whats not "knowably impossible" about creating resources out of thin air?

That you would advocate a position so absurd makes plain the histrionic nature of your arguments.

If my position were absurd with regards to anything other than my own opinions (likely to be absurd since we're invoking an absurd scenario, a no-win) than you could just show me where thanks.

At present, it's unknown what the probability of its success will be, though many consider it improbable. That you feel the need to take it and stretch it to an absurd all or nothing conclusion is typical of your argument here.

The probability of success for what, population control schemes? Markedly higher if we leverage force, I'll wager. What's my all or nothing conclusion, show me?

Apparently, according to you, no matter how we approach the problem, it's coercive and immoral, "a bullet" to the head of those who resist.

No, according to me out of the few selections you offered all those I characterized as a bullet to the head are no different than a bullet to the head.

By that same argument, all government is coercive and immoral, a bullet to the head of the citizenry.

LOL, laying aside that it often is, coercive is a requirement, immoral is not.

You may only be able to see things in black and white, but that's a limitation you have, and is not a realistic appraisal. You asserted that no alternative solutions were offered. I showed alternatives. Your response is to deny any real and important differences between these approaches. And no matter what solution is offered, since you apparently aren't capable of discriminating between vastly different methods, all methods will be equal to you. (Really, re-engineering the genome is the same as voluntary reproductive limits? Are you high?)

No, I'm not, but apparently you're having trouble reading, I made no comparison between re-engineering the genome and voluntary limits. If I hit you in the head with a bat or a brick there would be marked differences, not that they would matter to you, and so it goes with your more sinister offerings.

Regardless, whether you consider it impossible or not, it is still an alternative solution.

So is my bullet, why is the bullet not good idea?

That you have an absurdly unsupportable view of its probability does not eliminate it as an alternative.

What is it that you're referring to in all of this, what probability? The only thing I even began to address from the angle of probability was politely asking. We do that, it hasn't worked. I feel pretty confident in stating that the probability of getting something like this by politely asking is low to nil.

Sure, you can equate all methods as essentially the same by distorting the facts and making up your own truth (as you did here regarding the possibility), but when you do, you have left reality, and are simply exercising your biases. That's neither reasonable, nor truthful.

I'm sorry, is the probability of success for population control by asking people politely not to do something like having children seriously an issue of disagreement between us? Is that a fact I've distorted? Is that a truth I've made up?