The Need to Breed

[The Grand Nudger]

You see some issue there Epi? All other "non-human" life. I don't see what you see. Look, I was presented with a no-win and I answered honestly. If there were a situation whereby I had to choose between doing something that is over and above all limits I've set for myself (and remember, this is in concept, in practice I'm much more violent and petty) then what sort of rational response would you expect. If I thought that annihilating everything on this rock that wasn't human would better our odds, and that there was nothing else -short of starting to off other human beings- to be done, I'd do it.

First, as a scientific matter, it's not known to be impossible to create resources out of thin air. Period.

Right, just known that we can't even conceive of a way that this could occur under our current very successful explanation of things. In other words, impossible.

Moreover, you're engaged in a distinctly uncharitable reading. There is enough energy in a small mountain to solve the world's energy needs for the forseeable future. However that's not a usable resource because we have no way of efficiently accessing that energy. The world's oceans contain enough water to supply our fresh water needs for a long, long time. All we need is to purify it. A decade or so back a device for simply and inexpensively purifying sea water was invented. As a result, the available supply of fresh water to the third world is much greater. Even if resources out of thin air were knowably impossible, it's an asinine reading to assert that this is what was meant, when it's the usable resources that are the problem and their limits, not the quantity of matter and energy in the universe.

You're telling me whats asinine to read into you comments after proposing that we release a plague? You mentioned increasing the quantity of resources, perhaps you should have been more specific, one single word that's so important to you now was missing then.

Increasing the amount of available and usable resources is an equally valid reading. (And yes, I checked the dictionary.) And I suppose when we start importing energy from neighboring unoccupied branes, we're simply using those branes more efficiently than we did before. Have I used the word histrionic yet?

Sure you have, but you probably haven't used it very accurately. You know I've argued for this btw, very near the beginning of the thread, look for a solution not to our population problem but for our resource problem (and use the solutions we already ave available), and then- see if we have a population problem and what could be done. I was told that I shouldn't hope for here-to-fore unseen technologies, and the population control train kept right a rollin.

You most certainly did when you claimed and implied that only one solution had been offered. That's implicitly claiming the two are equivalent. As follows:

You keep using the plural.......have we been reading the same thread?

Let's see, misrepresenting the science, uncharitable reading, lying about what you wrote... What's next?

Telling you to go fuck yourself. I actually made special and individual mention of politely asking, reread, re-quote, re-post, do whatever you have to do. You offered what, different ways to achieve population control -and I've been arguing against population control for pages, ffs.

It seems that you and I are on the same page about one of them, and I'll grant you that that's a solution. I misread your poorly worded sentence. Mea Culpa. Politely asking is not a solution, and again, it's just another population control scheme. Sure, I'll compare the two on those grounds now that you mention it, whereas before this post I handled them separately. Heres what you're bitching about, in it's entirety, post #90 I believe. Now find Waldo jackass.

Let me ask you Apo, why go through the trouble of intentionally releasing a viral plague, why go through the hassle of re-engineering our genome? A bullet to the head is just as effective and a hell of alot easier. Whats the fucking difference, are we hoping to wash our hands? Forced limitation of reproduction eh? By what means, likely, again, a bullet. You just let me know when you come up with something a little less sinister and genocidal, okay Apo?

You see anything in there about politely asking (voluntary control)? I don't, I mean, maybe I should use my search function, but, top of my head, doesn't seem to be there.