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[ARCHIVED] - Evidence Vs Faith
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RE: Evidence Vs Faith
How many times have I said, that I am not questioning the possibility of evidence, but the necessity of it in order to be rational.

Obviously you can believe in God without evidence, on faith - as I believe you do - but my point is that by definition evidence is the only way to believe rationally, and without evidence it's an admittance to letting go of your brains on the matter.

You do not need evidence to believe God exists. But to rationally believe he does, I believe you necessarily do: Evidence is the way we judge whether a belief is true or not, if it has evidence - it has valid credence - and if it has valid credence, then that's valid support that the belief is true. That's what evidence is for. Faith is an admittance that you are believing anyway, despite irrationality, and that you believe that this is somehow justified - but how so, if by definition it rationally isn't? (Do you or don't you?) Evidence is on the side of rationality, because evidence is how we give credence to a belief, and the only we can ever know the converse, that a belief is false, is by lack of evidence (or evidence against) for a belief, that's the only way to know that a belief is delusional. So evidence is on the side of rationality, faith is nothing but belief lacking evidence - and merely a lack of evidence, is not something rational, since the converse - evidence - is the way to rationally back up a belief!

If evidence isn't a mark of a rationality for believing then what the fuck is? Evidence is by definition a reason to believe a belief is valid, it gives valid credence to a belief: So if a valid reason to believe isn't rational, then what is?

Evidence is a rational reason to believe. And how is absence of evidence, "Faith", rational, then?

Would you say evidence is rational or irrational? Considering it gives valid support to beliefs?

Would you say faith is rational or irrational? Considering that it does not give valid support to a belief, because if it did, by definition - it would be evidence, and hence, not faith.

Finally, you say that non-theological can't cut it - but how can theology cut it at all? Where's its evidence?

EvF



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[ARCHIVED] - Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 2, 2009 at 9:57 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 3, 2009 at 6:26 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 3, 2009 at 7:53 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 3, 2009 at 8:22 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 3, 2009 at 8:41 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 3, 2009 at 8:54 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 4, 2009 at 12:15 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 4, 2009 at 4:15 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 4, 2009 at 12:20 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 4, 2009 at 4:30 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 4, 2009 at 5:32 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 4, 2009 at 5:47 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 4, 2009 at 6:03 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 4, 2009 at 7:11 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 4, 2009 at 9:40 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 5, 2009 at 4:27 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 5, 2009 at 8:14 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 5, 2009 at 4:55 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 6, 2009 at 7:41 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 6, 2009 at 10:16 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 6, 2009 at 10:22 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 6, 2009 at 10:26 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 6, 2009 at 10:45 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 6, 2009 at 11:22 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 6, 2009 at 1:48 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 6, 2009 at 2:25 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 7, 2009 at 9:02 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 8, 2009 at 2:55 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 8, 2009 at 6:35 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 8, 2009 at 4:55 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 8, 2009 at 8:37 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 9, 2009 at 3:52 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 9, 2009 at 9:35 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 10, 2009 at 9:02 am
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RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 10, 2009 at 2:30 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 10, 2009 at 9:39 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 10, 2009 at 9:47 pm
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RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 10, 2009 at 9:55 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 10, 2009 at 10:08 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 10, 2009 at 10:23 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 10, 2009 at 10:41 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 10, 2009 at 10:50 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 10, 2009 at 10:52 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 10, 2009 at 10:57 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 10, 2009 at 10:59 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 10, 2009 at 11:14 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 11, 2009 at 8:59 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 11, 2009 at 1:45 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 11, 2009 at 2:31 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 11, 2009 at 2:59 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 11, 2009 at 3:21 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 11, 2009 at 4:11 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 11, 2009 at 6:59 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 12, 2009 at 2:27 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 12, 2009 at 6:37 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 12, 2009 at 11:28 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 12, 2009 at 11:30 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 12, 2009 at 11:50 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 12, 2009 at 8:29 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 13, 2009 at 4:58 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 13, 2009 at 8:03 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 13, 2009 at 8:50 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 13, 2009 at 10:05 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 13, 2009 at 2:11 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 13, 2009 at 7:43 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 14, 2009 at 4:05 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 14, 2009 at 5:00 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 14, 2009 at 12:37 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 14, 2009 at 10:27 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 15, 2009 at 1:56 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 15, 2009 at 1:45 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 15, 2009 at 3:58 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 18, 2009 at 10:00 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 18, 2009 at 6:19 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 18, 2009 at 8:43 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 19, 2009 at 7:18 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 19, 2009 at 8:52 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 19, 2009 at 12:40 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 20, 2009 at 7:26 am
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by fr0d0 - September 20, 2009 at 1:41 pm
RE: Evidence Vs Faith - by Edwardo Piet - September 20, 2009 at 5:52 pm

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