The Christian mindset

[Edwardo Piet]

I just mean that ID pretends to be both apart of science and religion. So what I mean by science is science is that I also mean religion is religion. And what I mean by that is the two can't really mix properly.

I'm glad you responded to this before I turned in for the night, your response reminded me of what I meant to actually say in the first place.

I want to agree with you that they can't really mix properly but I am not so sure. I would reluctantly agree. You may now know me well enough that I don't care at all for religion. Organized religion or religious thought. I certainly have nothing against science in general, but don't see Evolution or most Intelligent Design as science. I see religion and religious thought in pretty much everything man does. It is his nature. A deity or god, even by the Bible's definition, can be anything. Knitting, music, politics, nationalism, education, art, wine, sports, science etc.

Most science minded people see science as producing anything that is good. A geek that dropped out of college didn't invent the Personal Computer in his parents garage Science did!

Religion brought the Crusades but who brought the Atom bomb? Science didn't create all the junk we defile the planet with but rather it is going to fix it! Yeah!

Science can't be wrong until it is seen in hindsight. It is supposed to be theoretical but Evolution is fact.

Tell me though ... anyone ... where does science and the Bible - the Bible, now, not religion - disagree? That is what I forgot to mention in my original tirade.

They are incompatible because they are incompatible scientifically. They are only compatible religiously.

Now that I could agree with. Scientifically because science is every bit as dependant upon interpretation as religion.

What do you, as a science minded individual who values evidence over reason think of (Leviticus 11:4, 6 and Deuteronomy 14:7) which plainly state that the hare chews its cud?

Well, evolution is a theory, but its a scientific theory. Which is very different from a normal theory. And a scientific fact doesn't mean absolute fact.
A scientific fact is weaker than absolute fact, but only VERY slightly. And a scientific theory is a LOT stronger than just a basic 'theory' as in chain of ideas that at least seemingly fit together, or how ever else you would define the usual use of the word 'theory'.
P.S: What do you mean hare chewing its cud? Is this an expression of some kind? A figure of speech?
If it is I'm not aware of it.
I have heard of many scientific contradictions about the bible but I don't have enough evidence or knowledge to back it up or particularly believe it. I guess I just think that since it contradicts itself so much (in a logical sense) I bet it does contradict science at some point at least.
However, even if science and the bible don't disagree much, they don't seem to agree much either.
Now, I don't think, as far as I know, the bible actually says directly, for example, that the world is 6000 years old, people just add the years of the people in the bible or to get to that conclusion do they? I don't know, I am pretty damn ignorant on bible scripture.
However they get to the 6000 year old conclusion though, I assume based on what you're saying that the bible doesn't actually say that anywhere, thats just a religious interpretation.
But if you believe the bible doesn't contradict itself, then surely thats just because thats just YOUR interpretation.