RE: The Need to Breed
August 20, 2012 at 8:46 am
(This post was last modified: August 20, 2012 at 9:33 am by The Grand Nudger.)
India -is- an example of populations non-effect. As is the US's fantastically high contribution via it's (relatively) small population.
I asked you why my objections where unfair because what you've written there doesn't make them unfair, or inaccurate. You basically responded with "well if it isn't, then one day it will be". This has never been a point of contention (though perhaps you should use the word -might- in place of -will- when predicting the future), if emissions levels evened out -precisely the situation you just described-. Would you like me to quote the two times I've said that prior to this moment? So maybe somebody else's global warming problems will be an issue of population eh , maybe the problems of 2042? Today, it is 2012. Today, our problem appears to be over-consumption and waste, and not by all 7 billion of us, not by any stretch.
I wasn't under the impression that I was arguing for unlimited or irresponsible population growth. What I was hoping to argue was against the notion that population controls are a clever solution to our problems here and now. I was hoping that I had been arguing against the notion that population control schemes were effective (either at curbing population growth or environmental damage). I think the examples of China, The US, and India are pretty damned relevant on both of those counts. My examples are not unfair or dishonest Cinjin, they simply don't paint a picture you agree with.
I asked you why my objections where unfair because what you've written there doesn't make them unfair, or inaccurate. You basically responded with "well if it isn't, then one day it will be". This has never been a point of contention (though perhaps you should use the word -might- in place of -will- when predicting the future), if emissions levels evened out -precisely the situation you just described-. Would you like me to quote the two times I've said that prior to this moment? So maybe somebody else's global warming problems will be an issue of population eh , maybe the problems of 2042? Today, it is 2012. Today, our problem appears to be over-consumption and waste, and not by all 7 billion of us, not by any stretch.
I wasn't under the impression that I was arguing for unlimited or irresponsible population growth. What I was hoping to argue was against the notion that population controls are a clever solution to our problems here and now. I was hoping that I had been arguing against the notion that population control schemes were effective (either at curbing population growth or environmental damage). I think the examples of China, The US, and India are pretty damned relevant on both of those counts. My examples are not unfair or dishonest Cinjin, they simply don't paint a picture you agree with.
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