RE: So...guess I'm the new guy
August 31, 2012 at 7:35 am
(This post was last modified: August 31, 2012 at 7:43 am by Reforged.)
(August 30, 2012 at 5:00 am)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote:(August 30, 2012 at 4:18 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: No-one here claims science explains everything, yet. It is however the only reliable way we have found to explain alot of the universe around us and our understanding of it expands everyday thanks to the scientific techniques that have been honed and researched by taking into account evidence.No. It does not even "explain a lot of the universe". There is no "explanation of the universe". There are multiple explanations, each which come with their own sets of metaphysical assumptions that are for the most part unverifiable. You don't learn this in your high school science classes, or even in college science classes. They assume that science is just true, and atoms really look like what the bohr model portrays.
Metaphysics doesn't "deal" with anything. Its a branch of philosophy, an astoundingly unbacked theory if you wanted to be generous.
But there is other stuff. Foundational stuff. This is stuff you will only learn about in graduate or postgraduate level philosophy courses. And once you fully realize that there is really very little solid foundation for our scientific observations to make sense, your mind will be blown when you realize the impact this has on your ontological foundations.
If you want to have a head start go look up metaphysics and start reading some intro level stuff. Stuff you can understand without much background.
You will realize that everything science "knows" rests on some very interesting underlying metaphysical assumptions that are not as dependable or proven as you think.
And you NEED to have an underlying theory that serves as a foundation to how you incorporate science into your worldview. You will be surprised that philosophers like Plantinga and Popper have made science more friendly to theists than to atheists, and unless you thoroughly understand arguments like Plantinga's EAAN, you will never truly be able to develop an underlying philosophical foundation that can beat atheists up.
All you will be left with is insulting Christians. But that's for the small fry.
Oh no no no, you don't get to walk away with that.
What things are you referring to that science makes metaphysical assumptions on?
Elaborate, explain.
Also, I'd like to point out I never made any statement claiming science explains alot of the universe. I merely made the observation that science has been solely responsible for every major technological breakthrough and discovery humanity has ever made using reproducible methods that work time after time and will likely continue to play this unique and important role.
Metaphysics "explains" very little. Its all unbacked philosophy and theory. It can be entertaining, even interesting but for now there is nothing metaphysics can be used for except creating arguments that require no evidence. It produces no results.
We haven't even seen alot of the universe let alone explained it.
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