(August 31, 2012 at 8:35 pm)padraic Wrote: Christian 'morality' is innately im-moral,also based on self interestMost of the Christians I know rarely talk about or think about hell or heaven. I know there are those who do and that is where the TV and movie stereotypes come from. Doing things wanting to avoid hell isn't a proper motivation. That's what I would call "being into works", and its pretty futile. In that regard I think we agree completely. A good person strives to be good because it is the right thing to do, not to get something.
Carrot and stick motivation. The carrot is the reward of heaven. The stick is guilt and fear of hell. The moral man does what is right for its own and FOR NO OTHER REASON.
EG The Catholic 'act of contrition' (short version) said in confession and in extremis:
Quote:O MY GOD, I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee, and I detest all my sins because I dread the loss of Heaven and the pains of Hell; but most of all because they offend Thee, my God, Who art all-good and deserving of all my love. I firmly resolve, with the help of Thy grace, to confess my sins, to do penance, and to amend my life. Amen.
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