RE: So...guess I'm the new guy
September 1, 2012 at 5:03 pm
(This post was last modified: September 1, 2012 at 5:09 pm by Reforged.)
(September 1, 2012 at 4:53 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote:(September 1, 2012 at 4:39 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Sure you can, just be yourself.
I'm sure you're just being modest. You seem as if you could single handedly dumb down the entire world.
I'm pretty certain the intellectual value of this forum drops everytime you add a post to it.
None of that qualifies as "metaphysical". Mathematics is a proven system of logic that makes no claim of a world beyond this one. It produces results and is applicable to the real world. You've presented evidence for another arguement entirely. Maybe focus on the query I put forward instead of the one you wish I had? Just a thought.
One last time, with feeling; Where are these metaphysical assumptions? Provide examples of at least one.
By the way, you shouldn't feel ashamed. Premature balding isn't that rare.
Mathematics itself can't be said to be metaphysical. But the corroboration between our understanding of logic and mathematics and the tendency of the observable world to correspond to this logical framework is a metaphysical assumption.
We observe it, but we have no reason to think that it is universal. Yet we work on the metaphysical assumption that it is universal. That any hypothesis or discovery is fundamentally logically or mathematically sound.
The concept of the metaphysical by its very nature defys proof. Mathmatics is a system that is applicable in the real world and its results can be recreated time after time. Thats proof that its more than the imaginings of any one man. If I take one apple and put it in a basket with three apples I apply the numerical value of four apples to the contents of that basket. Thats basic mathematics. Its a system we use in our day to day lives and it demonstrably works. Would you debate this?
Until we find an instance in which it does not work and cannot be applied to a physical, tangible situation then why should such a tried and tested system be cast aside?
The concept of the metaphysicals chief characteristic is that it requires no proof because it is supposedly beyond our means of detecting it. I am not for one second saying this is an acceptable standard to go by but that is part of its definition.
If we follow your logic we must deduce your definition of the metaphysical entails anything conceptual goes under its header. This is evidently not the case and it would be sheer nonsense to claim as such.
So I put it to you once again; what metaphysical assumptions are made by science?
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred.
- Abdul Alhazred.