RE: So...guess I'm the new guy
September 4, 2012 at 4:03 am
(This post was last modified: September 4, 2012 at 4:31 am by Reforged.)
(September 3, 2012 at 7:22 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote:(September 3, 2012 at 6:02 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: What? No, no it isn't true. No-one ever claimed it was. Everything is in a constant state of flux. Its impossible to know anything with absolute certainty let alone everything. I'm not even sure why you needed to ask, the answer would seem rather obvious.
"Omniscience of science"? "Scientism"? "Utopia"? Who on earth have you been talking to thats been teaching you this utter tripe? Science is "the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural". Its a method to learn more about the world we live in and one that has proven the most effective. Thats all it is. Until another one that proves more effective is presented thats the one we should use as its yielded the most accurate results using reproducible methods.
As far as I know it isn't possible to be omnipotent but do let me know if you have evidence to the contrary won't you?
I wouldn't even go as far as to place my faith in science as the best source of knowledge. Sure, it has led to great developments and nifty little gadgets. Nintendo? I mean come on, who doesn't love Nintendo?
But I think the greatest source of knowledge, the source that we ought to turn to instead of science is intuition.
I don't mean intuition as a part of science. I mean the practice of figuring things out about the world.
I know it sounds backwards. It sounds ludicrous. But there's more to it than that. Human intuition is by far the greatest contributor to the success of the species, its achievements eclipsing that of science by far.
"Nintendo" as the epitome of science, brilliant.
Intuition is at best a survival instinct that is prone to misfiring, unpredictable and varied in its results ranging from true to catastrophically false.
You cannot possibly compare it to a rational method of discovering more about the world we live in that has repeatedly yielded things like life saving medical technologies, advanced methods of communication, fast and safe transportation and incredibly complex methods of storing information... like the one you're using now. Even the clothes on your back were made using technologies to make the process easier and more efficient and you're trying to tell me that "intuition" isn't just on par, that it surpasses science?
I don't know whos been teaching you but I'd ask for my money back.
I mean can anyone here actually imagine what the world would be like had this method for discovery and reproducible results been discounted immediately? What would of happened had the first time bronze been produced it had never been produced again? In a world where evidence and reasoning are not anything to judge the standards of hypotheses validity by what logic should someone attempt to recreate a process by which they made a discovery? That is a scientific approach by its very definition, if you take away that then what is discovery if not just a random fluke to be hoped for and attributed to blind luck?
Intuition is not remotely as you describe it;
"in·tu·i·tion/ˌint(y)o͞oˈiSHən/
Noun:
The ability to understand something immediately, without the need for conscious reasoning.
A thing that one knows or considers likely from instinctive feeling rather than conscious reasoning."
How far would "intuition" get us past the dark ages in terms of advancement? Not very.
(P.S. I'm still waiting on proof of an actual metaphysical assumption science makes as I systematically destroyed the rather absurd notion mathematics is one.
Starting to think you've just retreated from this one.)
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