RE: So...guess I'm the new guy
September 4, 2012 at 2:21 pm
(This post was last modified: September 4, 2012 at 2:39 pm by Reforged.)
(September 4, 2012 at 12:19 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote:(September 4, 2012 at 4:03 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: "Nintendo" as the epitome of science, brilliant.
Intuition is at best a survival instinct that is prone to misfiring, unpredictable and varied in its results ranging from true to catastrophically false.
You cannot possibly compare it to a rational method of discovering more about the world we live in that has repeatedly yielded things like life saving medical technologies, advanced methods of communication, fast and safe transportation and incredibly complex methods of storing information... like the one you're using now. Even the clothes on your back were made using technologies to make the process easier and more efficient and you're trying to tell me that "intuition" isn't just on par, that it surpasses science?
I don't know whos been teaching you but I'd ask for my money back.
I mean can anyone here actually imagine what the world would be like had this method for discovery and reproducible results been discounted immediately? What would of happened had the first time bronze been produced it had never been produced again? In a world where evidence and reasoning are not anything to judge the standards of hypotheses validity by what logic should someone attempt to recreate a process by which they made a discovery? That is a scientific approach by its very definition, if you take away that then what is discovery if not just a random fluke to be hoped for and attributed to blind luck?
Intuition is not remotely as you describe it;
"in·tu·i·tion/ˌint(y)o͞oˈiSHən/
Noun:
The ability to understand something immediately, without the need for conscious reasoning.
A thing that one knows or considers likely from instinctive feeling rather than conscious reasoning."
How far would "intuition" get us past the dark ages in terms of advancement? Not very.
(P.S. I'm still waiting on proof of an actual metaphysical assumption science makes as I systematically destroyed the rather absurd notion mathematics is one.
Starting to think you've just retreated from this one.)
Intuition moved us from base animal instincts into civilization. I think that was a greater move than even clean drinking water and open heart surgery, let alone nintendo.
You're showing your a scientism, Drake. You have no idea of the role intuition played for human progress. Sure, it isn't perfect. But the things it got right, and the things it can get right have made us who we are. It's failures have led to future intuitive successes.
Did you miss the definition of intuition or are you just dense? It is instinctual, pure and simple.
Do you ever actually read through your posts before sending them? Because I would be embarrassed to send a retort of that calibre.
Also I'd like to point out you are the one who used Nintendo as an example and it was a pitiful one that revealed quite alot about what you consider to be mankinds finer achievements.
What you describe is a system of trial and error which was the unintended and unconscious result of intuition and instinct. Science consciously adopts this as one of its methods of research in a very calculated and controlled way and analyses the results with great interest. Science is a superior method to making discoveries and leaps forward than intuition ever was. We have moved forward, its called progress.
"Scientism". Theres that word again. The idea anyone thinks any method universally applicable without having first seen the universe is absurd. Real scientists do not make claims about what they have no information on, they can only speculate and theorize on the unknown until more information is obtained on it. You don't know if science in its current state is applicable to the universe or not and neither do I. Probably not, we don't know everything. If we did science wouldn't be necessary as discoveries would be redundant. We only know it has so far been applicable to every discovery made and every technology produced. It has improved mankind's condition far more than anyone could measure.
You are making a snap judgement that there is something in the universe that has not got a rational, scientific explanation. You can not possibly know that there is and it is arrogant for you to presume you do when mankind as a whole knows so little about the universe it inhabits.
It becomes increasingly obvious with every post you make you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Now once again; give me an example of a metaphysical assumption science makes, keeping in mind we have confirmed mathematics does not fit the criteria, or retreat. Do not continue to insult the intellect of this forum through brazenly dodging the question.
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