The paradox of acceptance vs rejection in secular settings

[genkaus]

No, you're still not reading, are you?

All evidence to the contrary.

It means, for these kind of people, a perfect society is reached not by appealing to secular liberal values, but secular conservative values.

And it rests on the fact that these Muslim women feel rejected by secular liberal values.

This, my friend, is perceived rejection.

Which is not the same thing as perceived intolerance - the claim you made in latter posts.

And it's most newsworthy and explicit given the NYT focus on middle-eastern women entering our universities. But I'm sure it broadens in scope to other non-religious but socially conservative cultures, but who are not as newsworthy, or might go against the narrative of the NYT for whatever reason.

Oh, you are sure, are you? So, there is no actual evidence of any other cultural category falling within this scope and no known reason why any other would be excluded - but as long as you say you are sure, I guess we have no choice but to take you at your word.

So yes, I think secularism de facto is not secularism de jure. Secularism defacto is secular liberalism, while secularism de jure is ideally a combination of liberalism and conservatism.

And why do you think that - that ideally it should be a combination?

Where both the gay and the Muslim feel accepted. Both the minority and the majority feel accepted. Where both the pro-choice and pro-life feel accepted.

This is the paradox of secularism. It's become politicized.

The paradox is only in your mind. Secularism is only required to tolerate different view-points, it is not required to make all of them feel accepted. And since many of the conservative values are in conflict with secular values (because of them being irrational and illogical), that viewpoint may be tolerated but not accepted.