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America's War on Drugs
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RE: America's War on Drugs
Quote:Yeah, because I'm sure that no one in your culture partakes in intoxicants as a family.
Alcohol is one thing, but we all know our limits. Besides, we do not partake in excessive alcohol in front of our elders.

Quote:. Ever enjoy a little Raki with the family, or know people who do? Or some of your local wines? Do you judge yourself (if you drink) or them so harshly?
We do, but alcohol is one thing, and marijuana is another. Let's compare a family dinner with raki to a family bong party. Right, they are similar. Besides, our elders always tell us to abstain from bad things, whereas this man's elder has no objections of his grand-nephew smoking a hallucinogenic drug before his eyes, which is something I deem to be an unabashed form of behaviour.
Quote:As I recall, while illegal, frowned upon by both Islam and secular authorities, and perhaps not currently in vogue, use of hashish has been part of Turkish and middle eastern culture for millennia.
It really doesn't matter. Hashish and opium were, as a matter of fact, a common drug during a period in Turkish history, whereas many Sultans have enacted strict bans on the coffee-house culture with which this poison was given to our people, mostly in big cities like Istanbul. But enough of history. I can tell you more if you'd want to hear it, but later.

Our family is a family of well-behaved, well-mannered and well-educated people with a good reputation. Religious taboos were never a too strictly enforced thing in our family, yet our customs and culture(even during the times when opium was commonly eaten) does not allow for such psychedelic and hallucinogenic drugs to be used within the vicinity of family members, or within generic society.
Even if a person of my family were to use drugs, we would have no knowledge of it, for he'd hide it out of his shame, and once we'd learn it, we'd active seek to free him from this vice of his, not tell him "That's okay, lemme take a hit.".

Quote:Perhaps you think marijuana and alcohol are somehow different? That catching a buzz from a fermented or distilled beverage is somehow morally superior than from smoking or otherwise ingesting a naturally growing herb?
Yes, now comes this so called "naturalist" argument. Not everything that is natural is good. Nor is everything that is "unnatural" as you say it, bad.
Besides, these two don't have the same effects.
Quote:In my experience, they are different only in that alcohol abuse is a much greater social ill than marijuana abuse.
That's due to the rightful stigma attached to marijuana use, and the fact that it's not easily available in stores. If it were to be legalized, I'm sure that we'd have another ban coming for it right away.

I'd like to have a world where no one would have to resort to things like marijuana to have an artificially induced dopamine release, but I guess we don't live in such a world, and some people are desperate to find happiness in small things like drugs. Not even alcohol, for alcohol too, is not something that should be glorified even when faced with things like psychedelic and hallucinogenic drugs.
But social and governmental laws exist therefore to protect the people when the people are too weak to protect themselves.
Anyone who wants to ruin his life with the usage of drugs can do so. But he does not have the right to ruin other people's lives by making marijuana, or any other drug appear to be "good" and "acceptable" to the public, or advocating it's legal sale and production.

Quote:Lol! No really I did laugh, because me and a family member smoke "Marijuana" together the whole world is doomed there will be rape, murder and all sorts of vile debauchery meanwhile skeletons will pile up in the streets.
Lol as much as you want to. I'm just giving you and your grand-uncle as an example of how drugs and drug users have become shameless as to do their thing in front of their fellow family members.
Like if you two were of the same age, and like cousins or something, I'd probably had not given the same reaction. But this behavour of yours transcends all elder-youth relations and limits, especially those within family.
And once these are done with, we'll be having every kind of vice in the streets. Besides, I did not speak of murder or rape-they already happen in the streets. However they are deemed to be a crime, and are severely punished by the law. You on the other hand show no shame in smoking that drug of yours in front of your elder. What shame would you have in doing it in front of the public?
Worse, your elder has no such shame.
Although I must admit I've heard of worse on the internet. People who smoke marijuana with their parents, sisters, brothers and etc.
Quote:. I'm sorry but "Marijuana" has been around for a very long time
Does that change the fact that it's a socially destructive drug?

Quote:and society has always been fine with it.
And therefore it was illegalized almost everywhere. Some countries have even the death penaly for it if you're caught possessing it.
Always been fine? Your marijuana is not so different from other drugs like opiates and cocaine and etc. Psychedelic and hallucinogenic drugs have been around for a long time now, but no one really praised them in front of the public, nor deemed them something good for the society as to actually allow their widespread use. I've already said before, opium, a drug very similar to marijuana when eaten/smoked was banned in China, which resulted in wars!
And during that time, opium usage was strictly banned in England, Scotland and Ireland, with harsh punishments while the poison was sold elsewhere.

Why I am so harsh with you is because the way you behave about drugs is a dangerous way to behave. Previously, drugs were something that had to be done in secrecy, away from family members.
Even things like cigarettes which lack the mind-altering abilities of marijuana would be smoked in secrecy, away from family members, and were a reason of shame when discovered. But obviously, something which is like marijuana is now brandished as something good for you. Parents shouldn't be mad when they catch their children smoking marijuana in their rooms, they should instead smoke along with them. Because marijuana is better than cigarettes, right? I saw it on a chart, no one has died from marijuana yet!
Such tales are tales of children. You fool yourselves with these lies, while spreading misinformation that poison and cloud the minds of people who have not fallen into the trap of illegal drugs.
Quote:No when I smoke I am not ashamed, in fact I tend to treat other's with more respect, gratitude and do constructive things I would normally not want to.
Constructive my ass. Like what, writing song lyrics?
I bet you're going to tell me that you are better at math when you smoke marijuana, eh? Or something along these lines. Really, I think that shit has melted half-way through your brain to think that marijuana actually makes you somewhat "constructive".
Quote:Sorry If I become a calmer, more sincere, non violent, happy and constructive person for smoking "Marijuana".
If you need a drug to become a calm, sincere, non-violent, happy and constructive person, you don't need marijuana, you need a shrink, friend.
You need to be on medicine, if that drug is all that keeps you from being deceptive, angry, violent and sad person. Really, I think you're seriously fooling yourself. You only smoke marijuana to become happy or do something with your excessive free time, for people only resort to drugs if they are either physically/emotionally addicted, or if they're so fucking bored due to the large amounts of empty leisure time, that they need something that makes time go faster, or more enjoyably. Constructive, I bet you finish your homework in an hour after smoking a blunt, yes.
Quote:It's just a better alternative to using "Prescription" drug's which are not meant to fix the problem but slightly make it a little better so you continue to need them and never go back to 100% health.
Pseudo-science mania never seems to end, man. If you think that you do not need to continue to smoke marijuana, you fool yourself.

Really, like all these Psychiatrist are all fraudelent, and give their patients prescription drugs instead of the one true solution to life's problems. Marijuana. And they do this because they're agents of the pharmacy industry, and don't want the truth about marijuana to be known, yea.

(September 5, 2012 at 4:04 am)cratehorus Wrote:
(September 4, 2012 at 10:27 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Soon, the people on the streets will not be ashamed of eachother anymore, and the streets will turn into a pile of every depraved vice and lawlessness.

I disagree....
Naruhodo.
Tell me then.
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America's War on Drugs - by festive1 - September 4, 2012 at 7:02 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by frankiej - September 4, 2012 at 7:05 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by padraic - September 4, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by The Grand Nudger - September 4, 2012 at 7:28 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Faith No More - September 4, 2012 at 7:36 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Jackalope - September 4, 2012 at 7:42 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Cato - September 4, 2012 at 8:11 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by padraic - September 4, 2012 at 8:40 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Angrboda - September 4, 2012 at 8:54 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Ocato - September 4, 2012 at 9:22 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Jackalope - September 4, 2012 at 9:51 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Ocato - September 4, 2012 at 10:00 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by kılıç_mehmet - September 4, 2012 at 10:07 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Jackalope - September 4, 2012 at 11:13 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by kılıç_mehmet - September 4, 2012 at 9:41 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by JohnDG - September 4, 2012 at 10:15 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by kılıç_mehmet - September 4, 2012 at 10:27 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Ocato - September 4, 2012 at 10:54 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by JohnDG - September 4, 2012 at 11:07 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by cratehorus - September 5, 2012 at 4:04 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Anomalocaris - September 5, 2012 at 11:22 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by kılıç_mehmet - September 5, 2012 at 1:09 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Napoléon - September 5, 2012 at 1:45 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Waratah - September 4, 2012 at 11:05 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by kılıç_mehmet - September 5, 2012 at 4:09 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by cratehorus - September 5, 2012 at 4:41 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by frankiej - September 5, 2012 at 7:19 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by The Grand Nudger - September 5, 2012 at 8:21 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Faith No More - September 5, 2012 at 8:51 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by The Grand Nudger - September 5, 2012 at 10:21 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Tiberius - September 5, 2012 at 10:22 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by festive1 - September 5, 2012 at 10:32 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by 5thHorseman - September 5, 2012 at 10:36 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Napoléon - September 5, 2012 at 10:43 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Minimalist - September 5, 2012 at 12:27 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by JohnDG - September 5, 2012 at 12:36 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Faith No More - September 5, 2012 at 2:50 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by The Grand Nudger - September 5, 2012 at 2:53 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by thesummerqueen - September 5, 2012 at 3:19 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Autumnlicious - September 5, 2012 at 3:40 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Tobie - September 5, 2012 at 4:13 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Napoléon - September 5, 2012 at 4:15 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by thesummerqueen - September 5, 2012 at 4:18 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by KichigaiNeko - September 6, 2012 at 8:10 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by kılıç_mehmet - September 6, 2012 at 7:38 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by frankiej - September 6, 2012 at 7:40 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by kılıç_mehmet - September 6, 2012 at 7:48 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Napoléon - September 6, 2012 at 8:23 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by festive1 - September 6, 2012 at 10:10 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by thesummerqueen - September 6, 2012 at 8:15 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Faith No More - September 6, 2012 at 8:23 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by KichigaiNeko - September 6, 2012 at 9:03 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by The Grand Nudger - September 6, 2012 at 9:28 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by thesummerqueen - September 6, 2012 at 10:36 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by kılıç_mehmet - September 6, 2012 at 10:54 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by thesummerqueen - September 6, 2012 at 10:58 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by kılıç_mehmet - September 6, 2012 at 1:03 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by The Grand Nudger - September 6, 2012 at 1:32 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by frankiej - September 6, 2012 at 1:34 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by The Grand Nudger - September 6, 2012 at 1:36 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by frankiej - September 6, 2012 at 1:40 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Napoléon - September 6, 2012 at 3:59 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Jackalope - September 6, 2012 at 4:06 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Tempus - September 6, 2012 at 4:57 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by thesummerqueen - September 6, 2012 at 1:37 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Jackalope - September 6, 2012 at 1:51 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by The Grand Nudger - September 6, 2012 at 1:38 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by padraic - September 6, 2012 at 7:14 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by thesummerqueen - September 6, 2012 at 9:22 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by padraic - September 6, 2012 at 11:01 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by JohnDG - September 7, 2012 at 3:41 am
RE: America's War on Drugs - by thesummerqueen - September 7, 2012 at 2:03 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by JohnDG - September 7, 2012 at 2:08 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Tobie - September 7, 2012 at 2:10 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by cratehorus - September 7, 2012 at 2:13 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Autumnlicious - September 7, 2012 at 2:37 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Minimalist - September 7, 2012 at 3:38 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Polaris - September 7, 2012 at 10:32 pm
RE: America's War on Drugs - by Minimalist - September 7, 2012 at 11:59 pm

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