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[ecolox]

I never said that, i'm a big fan of science for the reason that it IS getting us answers and moving us forward as a species as opposed to your religion that is doing fuck all.

I like science, but I can't stoop to your level.

Let's see some examples bub. Of course I'd ask for those!

I love cosmology, astrophysics, quantum mechanics, evolutionary biology, abiogenisis and the like, these are the topics that give us REAL and MEANINGFUL answers about the universe, life and origins in general, not the thoughts of primitive men.

All the topics you listed have nothing to do with the question I asked - or the speculations you of course participate in... Did you realize that?

We have a very good idea how life on this planet originated and it wasn't through sky daddy saying 'ta-da', we also have a very good idea of the history of the universe and that also does not require sky daddy, and it's not surprising considering his origins in the mind of primitive men.

But the universe's existence is still a mystery though, right?

Getting an understanding of the origin of life and the universe is like putting together a jigsaw puzzle, each scientist in these fields is out there every day picking up the pieces one at a time and making absolutely sure they all fit, there are still a lot of pieces missing for now but we have millions more pieces than the ancient religious originators and as such we are able to see a far more accurate picture of the universe that their limited intellects ever could.

Still not addressing the big question.

Face it ecolox, Religion can offer us nothing else in the way of piecing together the puzzle because all you ever do is sit around contemplating ancient texts written by (and i'll say it again to make it clear) PRIMITIVE MEN rather than actively trying to piece together the puzzle like all the scientists out there are doing every day.

Religion is about figuring out why we exist, in large part... Science has nothing to say about it, and neither do you so far.

If you need the fear of god to make you live this life right your mentally unstable, though i doubt you do need him to live a good life, it's just your lifelong brainwashing coming into effect forcing you to attribute everything good to your sky daddy.

Now I'm mentally unstable because I tackle the important questions in life. You people resort to attacks quicker than anyone I know. If you can silence the 'opposition' then you think you've 'won' - yet you never address that big question that we're pushing. I may quit wasting my time with you if you start going crazy and become irrational here...but I can't just give up on what is essential to life as a rational being.

How can you claim to take the finite life approach when part of your belief is an infinite life of kissing sky daddy's ass?

You can attack my beliefs in these ways, but you will remain ineffective until you offer a real alternative solution.

And besides, what purpose do you have in this life as a Christian? To be obedient, to serve, to praise. It can't be about doing good or living well because in your world view Good and evil are only what God says they are, or more correctly, what you have been told to believe god said to some primitive men in the bronze age middle east who, after generations of hearsay, had their interactions with god recorded in a book that you, thousands of years later, still believe is true.

All you try to do is tear down, but I need a place to live. Build me a new house instead if you don't like my old one. But anyway, life in God's universe is very much in sync with His universe - encouraging growth in everyone through good works. I want to do what's good for nature, what's good for myself, what's good for others, etc - to the best of my ability. I love to see growth. I believe destruction is apart from God's nature, and pain is a taste of what being away from God is like. The lasting pleasures in life are good (family, etc), while the short lived pleasures (sex, drugs, etc), when pursued specifically, lead to pain - in a nutshell.

Who's orders do I follow except God's? The rules I follow are good for growth and sustainability - good for the universe - I will do my best no matter how small I may be.

[quote='theVOID']Stop being so gullible!

Stop being so useless. If you can't build me a house then I can't let you tear my old one down...sorry.

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[quote='ecolox' pid='33245' dateline='1252984082']
All of those explanations have nothing to do with the question of why we are here. And you can ask as many questions as you want. A question is not innately reasonable (e.g. a stupid question) - so, do so at your own risk.

Perhaps everything will be questioned by you, but few things will be answered.

YOU ARE AN IDIOT SIR!

I'm glad you think so. Jesus said "Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me".

We don't know what happened before the big bang.
We don't know why we are here, ASSUMING THERE IS A 'WHY' AT ALL!
We don't know the exact origins of life on this planet.

I know, that's why I got you to admit that your existence is a big mystery.

But that DOES NOT, I REPEAT, DOES NOT MEAN GUESSING THAT IT WAS A GOD, In place of real answers, IS ANYTHING MORE THAN COMPLETE BUFFOONERY!!!

What real answers have you supplied...none. You would rather sit in a pool of your own ignorance than try to explain why you exist.

You INSIST on a belief that is not only DEVOID COMPLETELY of ANY evidence but one that is also REJECTED COMPLETELY BUT THE SUMMATION OF ALL EVIDENCE FROM ALL FIELDS OF STUDY!

There isn't any science out there that says God can't exist. There is the pseudoscience, of course, that you subscribe to, I assume.

You talk about how you 'reversed engineered' the universe, but what real study did you do? You only put God into a gap - and you think that is in some way an adequate position? LAUGHABLE!

In light of God, the universe makes sense, and I have a reason to live. He is the answer to the biggest, relevant question out there. You've provided nothing as an alternative answer. Should I listen to you?

You say few things will be answers by us - LAUGHABLE AGAIN! Science and those who support it are the ONLY people getting real answers to the big questions. Look at what science has given us! Then look at what we got from religion during the past 2000 years... FUCK ALL - And you claim religion is going to give us answers! My sides hurt!

You only look at the by-products of bad religion, no wonder you don't know what you're saying.

Not only that, but science gives us these things without asking for complete loyalty and worship, doesn't threaten us with suffering if we don't believe, doesn't demand our respect, doesn't watch over us as an intergalactic dictator - It has every advantage and no disadvantage.

I wouldn't go so far as to say all that.

Well done Ecolox - You are the most stupid individual i have ever encountered on these boards, bar none.

Stupid is as stupid does.