Christians

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What religion has claimed that faith is not involved?

Everything to do with religion has to be dealt with by faith and nothing else. That is why it is so weak. As I said, religion is a comfort zone. Nothing more then a comfort zone. You feel life is meaningless unless you have an individual to worship and praise. I feel life is meaningful in itself. I need no supernatural force or supreme being to make it meaningful.

And ignorance is your comfort zone. My religion leads to much discomfort (e.g. standing up for God only to be attacked by anti-theists). Some people are killed for sharing the gospel.

I refuse to name-call or insult you for how you live your life. It is your decision and I respect that.

Thanks, I appreciate it. I hope I show the same respect. You've definitely been one of the most respectful atheists on this forum. But I can't stop thinking you're wrong.

You certainly have answered it as best as you can. How is it that you do not require infallible proof for things? If someone told you they could fly, you'd readily believe? That doesn't seem right.

I like to see things to believe often times, but certainly not always. There are many things I can't see and basically no things I can infallibly prove. The case of God is different than some guy claiming he can fly.

On the contrary, I feel very much enlightened and alive because I am embracing life and all it has to offer.

What does that mean - both the good and the evil?

How is it my failure when I already addressed it multiple times and you refuse to simply acknowledge it? I am not asking you to just drop everything and go "WOW You're right! I was wrong!" And I will never ask you to do such things. That would be disrespectful of me.

I don't know how an honest, mature person can live with your answers - they're too vain.

However, I ask you to merely keep an open-mind and accept that not everyone thinks the same as you and just because they don't, it does not mean they are wrong.

Oh, I know. I hope I wouldn't make that mistake - thinking someone was wrong just for disagreeing with me. I don't know how ignorance/apathy to this big question could ever be considered right though.

I do not have a clue as to what I am saying? On the contrary, I know exactly what I am saying. I know exactly what eggs I put my basket into.

Yes, you put your eggs in the trash compactor.

I pray because my life is less convenient

This is the same as saying "I don't pray to make my life more convenient" is is not?

That was supposed to read "...because I pray my life is less convenient". I don't know why you keep misquoting me.

My success is positively/directly related to your righteousness, I guess.

How is your success rate in these forums in direct correlation to my righteousness? Please explain your statement.

Of course people who reject God are going to find me to be a dismal failure. Righteousness is allegiance to God.

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They say "ignorance is bliss" - does that sound about right to you? I find it humorous that you try to insult the bold and brave who take on the challenge of "the big question". Do you expect that anyone will think it is you who is bold and brave, who settles for nothing with stupidity?

How have I insulted the bold and brave? If you are referring to yourself as bold and brave, I believe my comments were quite fair. I cannot same the same for yours however.

Because I disbelief in a supernatural supreme being, I'm stupid? Really? lol

You do not even try to explain why you exist/why the universe exists. That's irresponsible, I'm afraid.

I am very much open to possibilities but you haven't shown me anything that is convincing. Furthermore, I stated my peace in my previous post that I am not trying to convert you or condemn you yet you said I am trying to stop you? Why are you so defensive? Shouldn't you be confident instead?

I alone am not responsible for showing you convincing things. You too have to take part in the speculation. This isn't a circus - you are not a spectator of this game I'm playing - you too are responsible for answering the mystery of life. And sure, I should be perfect but I'm not, whether I am wrong now or not.

So show me, show everyone, the science that allows for the existence of God instead of shoving the what life means to you statement down my throat every chance you get. I already said I am very much open to this.

Like I said, you have to discover this for yourself. The first step is getting off your butt and trying. I'll leave you with it now.

Let the Atheists do all the work for me? "Atheists" are other fellow individuals like myself who disbelieve in the idea/concept of a supernatural supreme being. I never said "I'm happy with ignorance". If you think I implied that, you are sorely mistaken. I am most happy with knowledge. Sure-fire knowledge. Faith is not based on knowledge, and religion is on the same boat with faith.

Faith is not based on absolute knowledge, but it is based on knowledge. You must be happy with ignorance to claim that God doesn't exist while providing no alternative explanation.

That doesn't make sense. In your example the good wouldn't be redundant, it wouldn't be worth it. You think that you can have good without evil in the absence of religion, but that's where you're _____.

There will always be good and evil irregardless of religion. The desire to steal, to be greedy...etc.. are all explainable with science. Religion as I said is merely a comfort zone because you desire something to make your own life worth living.

Alright, so now you aren't blaming religion for all the evils of the world? Do you still not realize that this existence is not explainable with science? If religion is my comfort zone, then ignorance is yours. You have to ignore a higher purpose, but I have to go to sleep. Good-night Retorth.