Where do atheists get their morality from?

[greneknight]

I don't buy this. But even if true, is a theist really in any better a position. I mean, if morality is based on God's will and God can will that genocide is moral, then well I guess a theist would just have to accept that. It's just the euthyphro dilemma. Either there are true moral propositions which exist independantly from God or God can make rape moral. This kind of theistic morality is as shifting and unsure as any secular morality.

I wouldn't say a theist is in a necessarily better position simply by virtue of being a theist.

But having some external, objective source of morality, and having it being all-good gives one a transcendent source for morality. Now granted, the existence of such a being is questionable, and your objection per the euthyphro dilemma is a relevant one.

But hypothetically, all other things being equal, if the only difference was that the morality was dependent on an all-good God rather than human culture, it seems the theists are better off.

I say this in light of Aushcwitz, Rwanda, Dachau, Nanking, Khmer Rouge. As wonderful as it would be to deny that humanity is eminently capable of horrors given subjectivist views of the world, we can't deny this.

Looking at the local news near my own home town enough to remind us that moral subjectivism/relativism based on how we construct our own experience of reality is not as universally beneficial as we deem it to be.

I wish I could just go into his brain and find out how exactly he constructed his moral worldview.

Again, the LIAR Vinny spouts garbage, lies and nonsense from his facial orifice.

As a devout Christian, I always feel obliged to apologise to atheists whenever I talk of morality. Being fully aware of the gross immorality of the Holy Bible and the incredibly hawkish and militant stand taken by the body of believers and I say this in the light of Ai, Jericho, the Crusades, Salem, Ireland, Vatican City, Jonestown, Waco, Afghanistan, Saudi, Iran, Iraq and virtually every square inch on the surface of our world blighted by the evils of religion, I think it is but fitting that all of us religious folks hang our heads in utter shame and degradation every time the mere mention of "morality" reaches our ears.

Vinny continues to tell lies and dissemble but that is nothing new for a person who is inspired by that Holy Spirit of Lies that dwells in each and every one of us born-again Christians. Rahab told a dastardly lie that resulted in the death of every man, woman, child and baby in the city of Jericho, killed no doubt most mercifully by the people of our merciful and compassionate God and the Holy Epistle to the Hebrews hails her as a woman of faith for telling lies, possessed as she no doubt was by God's Holy Spirit of Lies. Vinny, being similarly possessed by that blasted Spirit, is seen telling lies quite shamelessly.

The Holy Spirit is referred to most piously in the Holy Bible as the Holy Fart. The New Testament calls the Holy Spirit "pneuma" which is interpreted "wind" and the Creed tells us that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son. Now, let's solve this holy riddle. What is wind and proceeds from the father and the son? Ho Ho Ho! Am I not witty?

Now, if you wonder why Vinny reeks of flatulence every time he opens his mouth, you will forgive him more readily when you realize what it is he is full of.