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Where do atheists get their morality from?
RE: Where do atheists get their morality from?
(September 6, 2012 at 11:41 pm)Stimbo Wrote: So just to clarify, if such is what I'm doing: are you saying that what we would regard as laws were originally, at some period lost in the mists of human history, collated and codified into some form of religious practise perhaps for the very purpose of applying those laws?

In a way, yes. One person said that religion was one of the greatest good for early societies because it helped to solidify a sense of justice and common identity necessary for the societies to thrive. It did not arise out of a need to exert order, but to create order among a band of Mesolithic-Neolithic tribesman.
But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from all sin.
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Where do atheists get their morality from? - by Atom - August 30, 2012 at 11:39 pm
RE: Where do atheists get their morality from? - by Cyberman - August 30, 2012 at 11:51 pm
RE: Where do atheists get their morality from? - by Atom - August 31, 2012 at 12:16 am
RE: Where do atheists get their morality from? - by idunno - August 31, 2012 at 12:25 am
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