RE: Where do atheists get their morality from?
September 11, 2012 at 4:59 pm
(This post was last modified: September 11, 2012 at 4:59 pm by Red Celt.)
(September 11, 2012 at 4:49 pm)Undeceived Wrote:(September 11, 2012 at 1:45 am)apophenia Wrote: I thought the following library of essays might be of general interest to readers of this thread.As moral. As moral as theists, based on theistic morals? Where else might atheists get this standard of morality? From society, perhaps, which borrows almost exclusively from Christianity. Sure you can abide by Christianity's morals, and many atheists do. But by definition of evolution you have no objective morals. You are simply imitating culture to be accepted by culture. In the process, you validate Christian ethics as the most acceptable, tossing out one or two (such as adultery, abortion) to suit your own personal whims. Perhaps by 'having morals' you mean being generally good to other human beings. Yet according to evolution there is no good, just survival. Your 'good' is done out of self-interest. If you truly were altruistic, you'd contradict survival of the fittest. Why should anyone be impressed you can imitate out of self-interest? A monkey can do that. Moral atheism is an oxymoron unless the atheist defines a moral his own way. In such a case, what good is a subjective moral? Why should anyone be impressed that you can create your own idea of right and wrong? A monkey can do that too. Without altruism, ethics is just an act.
Infidels.org: (Modern Library)
Stand back, please, people...
(beats Undeceived to death with a copy of The Selfish Gene)
Well, as an atheist, I have no morals, right?
Perhaps I should just have told him to read the fucking book, so that he could perhaps understand why social animals benefit from altruism. Morality pre-dated Christianity... so if anyone copied pre-existing morality, it would be the Christians. Yeah? Yeah.
Tho' Nature, red in tooth and celt
With ravine, shriek'd against his creed
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