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[Edwardo Piet]

And all JP does is define God outside of time itself and therefore not need an explanation. He's just defining it that was - he then has to explain that because it's an assertion! God is still complex simply from the shit he does! It does no good to assert that he's simple.

He's the starting force......yeah? So is a big bang singularity, the difference is that the big bang singularity is simple and the universe after that has evidence. If God starts as simple 'pure actuality' then you're basically labelling a singularity until you evidence any of his further developments that actually make him a supernatural creator!

In what way is Jon Paul doing more than simply labelling a singularity as 'pure actuality' that=God? When does he actually evidence the complex stuff that God is apparently capable of afterwards?

By definition, "God" as in a supernatural creator - is complex. If he develops out of simplicity, then that has to be evidenced. If you say that God is simple then you're just labelling simplicity with the word "God", the complexity of a supernatural creator still has no evidence.

I can't argue about evidence and faith with you here, as you know. Luckily faith hasn't been mentioned - and I'm just arguing about Jon Paul's argument since you mentioned it, I'm not going to get into E and F with you here.

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