Here We Go Again!

[Drich]

My question wasn't about being saved or not, I'm asking how would they redeem themselves.

What is the difference? is saved being apart of a religious expression or a specific denomination? if so then they wouldn't be 'saved' or a specific brand of christian, yet they could still find redemption for their sin and live an eternal life.

In the case of Christians, you are saying willingly accepting redemption from God through Jesus Christ Sacrifice, is redeeming your sins.

I'm asking how people whom didn't have a chance to accept the gospel, how would they redeem themselves. Not whether they are saved or not.

accepting the gospel according to Hebrews 4 goes beyond the rights and passages of Christian cermony. Their eternal life of salvation will become a matter of Christ's final judgement, just like everyone else.

The Christian is saved because He responded to an invitation. The man who never knew Christ is saved by Christ on the day of his judgement if he is deemed righteous.

If you state that you don't have to believe in Christ to be redeemed by Christ, then why doesn't that apply to those whom heard the gospel but were not convinced it's true?

Because they refused Christ. Not all who haven't heard of Christ would refuse Him if they had, in turn not all would accept them if they had. Christ does not need to witness the acceptance or denial of the gospel to judge a man's soul. It all comes down to where your heart lies, and if you have been faithful to what God has given to you.

Also, in that case, tell me exactly how they are redeemed from their sins?

The same way Aberham, David, Daniel, Joseph, way the same way Paul was, the Same way all who are save are. through the blood of Christ. i have already said Christ blood sacerfice is not something we do. It is something He did. These men all of the were faithful to what they have been given the oppertunities God gave them they carried out as far as they could. the same is true with the modern day man who did not her the gospel, but remains faithful. where God seperates him from the anounced unbeliever is the faithfulness one exibits to what he has been given.

On the other side of that coin Christ says there will be many who call out to Him for the many good deeds they have done in his name, and He will say He never knew them. Why because salvation is not some cermony or action we partake in. It is what has been done for us.

And why isn't DeistPaladin suggestion that we try to become better humans, not enough of a redemption?

because "better" is an illusion Better than what? Hitler's germany? the last Generation of Americans? Better than those who own slaves? or better than those who give themselves to God as they have been commanded? or just a little bit better than where you feel comfortable?

You guys don't seem to understand what biblical Christianity is. it is not subjugation to a list of rules and hardship. It is freedom from those rules so you can be just faithful humans. With the redemption Christ offers or requirements drop to a "Do the best you can" requirement. Not a half ass do the best you can' but a literal do the best you can be, and that is all God asks of you. Now understand that if you are faithful to what God has given you. You will be given more. and subsequently you will be expected to be faithful to that new lot. and so the snow ball builds. (which is why i can not attribute my sucess in this ecconomy as anything but a gift from God)