Christians

[Ace Otana]

fr0d0 the only thing logical to a Christian is faith which in my opinion is nothing more than voluntary ignorance of facts.JP did not prove how logical the existence of God was since as you saw in the exchanges I had with him,his logic only works if I in faith accept his Christian worldview as the starting point.

I totally agree. It's only logical in the christian worldview. All JP did was make baseless assertions.
We can't disprove god and nor can anyone prove god but it's the same with countless billions of characters. Too consider gods existence is to consider all other unprovable characters as well.

I stopped considering gods existence the moment I heard he was non-temporal. Being non-temporal means he is that far out of range of observation through the scientific method that it could never be proven nor dis-proven and so it would remain an endless argument. So I dismiss the god claim. So in the eyes of science and all observable methods, god does not exist. Unless evidence is found to prove otherwise.

I'd thought I'd bring this up for the sake of it. "A god that is responsible for the creation of a universe would be at least as complicated as the universe that it creates. Therefore, it too must require a designer. And its designer would require a designer also, ad infinitum. The argument for the existence of god is then a logical fallacy with or without the use of special pleading."