RE: The Spirit (Hebrew Ruach / Greek Pneuma)
November 5, 2008 at 4:39 pm
(This post was last modified: November 5, 2008 at 4:59 pm by Daystar.)
(November 4, 2008 at 5:43 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:(November 3, 2008 at 1:25 pm)Daystar Wrote:(November 3, 2008 at 6:28 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Er ... there's no such thing as spirit (in a supernatural sense)?
Perhaps you should rephrase that, Kyu ... there's no such thing as spirit (in a supernatural sense) that you are aware of?
Firstly it was a (rhetorical?) question and secondly, inasmuch as anything can be certain given that there is absolutely bugger all validatable evidence for that being claimed, no ... there is no such thing as spirit.
Kyu
Interesting. Now, since you are so sure that there is no such thing as spirit you must know what spirit is supposed to have been. What is that?
(November 3, 2008 at 1:55 pm)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote:(November 3, 2008 at 1:25 pm)Daystar Wrote: Good points! Alcohol is an excellent example.But alcohol isn't supernatural, is physical. Its natural. The alcohol part was a joke lol
I guess you're saying though that spirit isn't supernatural am I right? And spirit as in alcohol is a good example because it is natural and its called spirit.
But whats alcohol got to do with God, or the bible? If spirit is to be used in the same sense as alcohol how does that support the bible? And how is this any evidence for the teachings of the bible? How is this any proof or even evidence of the God of the bible?
The question is what is the spirit? Forget about god for a moment and ask yourself what is the spirit? What does the Bible say the spirit is and what does common use dictate that it is? How is it applied to alcohol?
What is the difference? What do you think it is. All of this influences what your position is on the subject but doesn't define what it is.
The Bible translates the Hebrew ruach (which means any invisible force that produces visible results) as wind, breeze, breath as well as spirit (mental inclination i.e. "He was mean spirited.") force of life, or spirit creatures.
Some of this is supernatural and some of it isn't. The natural you have no problem with but you object to and reject the supernatural because?
That is what you believe? That is what you were taught? Tradition? Culture? Because science can't prove it or test it or ignores it?
I don't care about that shit. Science doesn't know everything now does it. Or else (shudder) there would be no use for science.
Are you beginning to see? You have a religious and emotional attachment to science. It explains things to you - gives you some guidence and it is your salvation. Your hope. Religion.
It is, like all religion, a blinder.
