Atheism +

[Creed of Heresy]

So tragic to see that the same problems we see in religion can crop up in the very organizations that oppose them.

For me the key word is organisation. The problem with religion is that its adherents think that rules thought up two thousand years ago in the middle east should apply forever. If an Organisation is set up that is not adaptable, yes it will just become a means of suppression. On the other-hand if it can adapt to new ideas then there is little need for factions, and then competing organisations, as discussions can take place within the group. I am an atheist that comes at the issue in a different way to many others here, but as far as I know nobody feels the need to exclude me, and I am very interested in what is being said by those I do not necessarily agree with. So this place feels to me like a good way to think about how we might set up future organisations which are open and not just reproduce old closed religious organisations.

This is exactly why I oppose Atheism+ more than anything else. The attempt to organize atheism into a creed. I rather like the way atheism has been so far, but Atheism+ is trying to dot his thing where it attacks atheists. That's all its purpose is; to try to say that they're better than the rest of us, just because that's what THEY think. And it doesn't help that the non-atheist community largely considers Atheism+ as just an atheist movement that has been hijacked by feminazis...which is exactly what it is, mind you, but still.

Maybe it had better motives earlier. But it criticizes atheism more than anything else, largely because of the agendas on the minds of its organizers.

You need no further evidence of this than their whole "we are atheists plus..." thing. Social justice is mentioned and then women's rights. Women's rights is a part of social justice, the fact they had to add that means that that is SPECIFICALLY what they're fighting for. Social justice in general encompasses most of what they said, but still, I cannot help but notice that "women's rights" came up before racism and bigotry...