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[TaraJo]

I agree, with the exception for people who are plied with alcohol or have their drinks spiked. Sometimes intoxication is not done by choice.

I agree. I remember reading a story a while ago (don't even as me to look this up; it was a little obscure and hard to find), it was about a fuckin' marine who went out for a drink just before he was being shipped out to Afghanistan. He goes to a bar, meets an interesting woman and has a drink or two with her. Then things get blurry and he doesn't remember anything until he wakes up, tied down to her bed with her having sex with him. She told him "Don't tell anyone or I'll just say you raped me." Know what? Her tactic worked perfectly. He knew nobody would believe a big, strong, muscular military man is actually going to be a rape victim and is much more likely to be the aggressor. Maybe, if he had a blood test done where they found evidence of the roofie she slipped him or the viagra she also gave him to maintain his erection, but even that's going to take time and damage his career.

Sometimes there's some amount of pressure to drink from the people around you. While I'll be the first to say pressuring someone to drink when they don't want to is a dick move, it also doesn't eliminate personal responsibility. Instead of being in a situation where one person is right and the other is wrong, you get two people who are wrong.

I also think it would be interesting to look at society's view of statutory rape in regards to sexism. When an older man has sex with a teen age girl, say 15 or 16, how does the world see it? He's a monster who manipulated that poor girl for his own selfish, deviant sexual urges. What about those women (and there have been quite a few over the past decade or so) who has sex with a 15 or 16 year old boy? We all tell him how lucky he is and what a stud he is. Seriously. Can you imagine the outcry if a woman was raped and we tell her she should just enjoy it or we tell other women they should be jealous?

Not to mention the fact that it's now come to light that sometimes "rape victims" do lie, and sometimes women say those things to entrap men so that they don't get in trouble.

I'd like to think that with religion dying out maybe we wouldn't be so scared of sex that girls would fall into the cycle of blaming alcohol or other situations for the reasons they did "slutty" things but it won't happen any time soon.

Yeah, it's another problem with feminist theory. They inherently think it's wrong to question a woman who has just claimed to have been raped. Being raped almost turns into a trump card for them, where having been raped can basically silence anyone who opposes you. Almost makes me wish I had been raped just so I can have a little more feminist cred. What's worse, if it's wrong to question someone who claims rape, well, do they have even a basic understanding of how a court of law works? Hell yes they're going to have questions; that's what a trial is!

And, yes, if a girl makes bad choices and she gets raped for it, I'm not saying she deserved rape (nobody does), but I am saying it's not wrong to call her on the bad choices. Yes, my home should be safe while I'm away, but if I forget to lock the door, I made a bad choice and I'm suffering the consequences. And if someone goes to a party with lots of drinking and drugs and unsavory people, well, this person needs to understand they're making a bad choice and rape is just one of the many possible consequences of bad choices. If you can't point out the bad choices people make that put them in dangerous situations, you can't help people stay out of those situations in the future.