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God's Value Nonexistent?
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RE: God's Value Nonexistent?
Being original existence, whatever he is, he would be what he is. He eternal is, and this implies he is a necessary being, because whatever existence is, is what it had to be. Ultimate existence is what must be as opposed to non-existence or very small insignificant existence. Non-existence cannot be. Ultimate power is the default existence, it's the necessary existence. Ultimate Value is the default existence.

Why can't we derive value from ourselves? We can, but it needs to have a basis and origin with eternal ultimate objective reality. The reason is, is because all lesser existence, has been created from the ultimate existence and cannot exist on it's own or have no relationship with ultimate reality. That being the case of how things are, it also the case, it must be how things must be.

This is why when a lot of people doubt God, they automatically begin to doubt objective morality, objective value, objective praise, etc...Because God is the foundation of the perception. As they do have an eternal basis, it also turns out it is impossible for them to exist without an eternal basis as that is a property of their existence.
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God's Value Nonexistent? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - October 19, 2012 at 8:06 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by Aroura - October 19, 2012 at 8:08 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - October 19, 2012 at 8:12 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by Darkstar - October 19, 2012 at 8:19 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 19, 2012 at 10:58 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by IATIA - October 20, 2012 at 1:34 am
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by Aroura - October 20, 2012 at 3:49 am
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 20, 2012 at 4:36 am
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by Darkstar - October 20, 2012 at 2:39 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 20, 2012 at 2:51 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by Godschild - October 19, 2012 at 11:16 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by Darkstar - October 19, 2012 at 11:55 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - October 20, 2012 at 12:03 am
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by Cato - October 20, 2012 at 3:07 am
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 20, 2012 at 4:03 am
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by Cyberman - October 20, 2012 at 1:23 am
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - October 20, 2012 at 3:06 am
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by Cyberman - October 20, 2012 at 2:43 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 20, 2012 at 4:30 am
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by downbeatplumb - October 20, 2012 at 4:45 am
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by kılıç_mehmet - October 20, 2012 at 3:04 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 20, 2012 at 3:06 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by kılıç_mehmet - October 20, 2012 at 3:11 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 20, 2012 at 3:23 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by kılıç_mehmet - October 20, 2012 at 3:31 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by Darkstar - October 20, 2012 at 3:36 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 20, 2012 at 3:33 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by kılıç_mehmet - October 20, 2012 at 3:43 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 20, 2012 at 3:49 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by MysticKnight - October 20, 2012 at 3:54 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by kılıç_mehmet - October 20, 2012 at 4:02 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by Darkstar - October 20, 2012 at 4:16 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 20, 2012 at 4:16 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by kılıç_mehmet - October 20, 2012 at 4:32 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by Darkstar - October 20, 2012 at 5:13 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by The Grand Nudger - October 20, 2012 at 4:45 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by Drich - October 21, 2012 at 3:36 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by IATIA - October 21, 2012 at 3:40 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by Drich - October 21, 2012 at 11:11 pm
RE: God's Value Nonexistent? - by Darkstar - October 21, 2012 at 11:35 pm

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