RE: Boy kicked out of scouts for refusing to swear allegiance to god
October 21, 2012 at 11:10 am
(October 21, 2012 at 10:28 am)Doubting_Thomas Wrote:As if I've missed anything extraordinary by not living in America, I've lived three years in Europe, especially in Germany, where a lot of Turkish immigrants live.(October 21, 2012 at 8:31 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: .I'm guessing you've never lived in America.
Multinational mobility? Wow, I believe that all these multi-national empires who crumbled to dust should demonstrate you how well these actually fare in comparison to a single-national entity.
Mixed-culture/race, or mongrelization only brings about the destruction of peoples and cultures. But that is no problem for places like America, where the system does not try to maintain the different peoples and cultures, but to assimilate them into a single entity of a single culture, language and "race".
In truth, its such ideologies that are the true enemy of the diversity you're so fond of preaching, while we are determined to maintain diversity and cultural richness of the world by drawing keen lines between people of different nationalities and cultures.
We preach peace, you preach war. Because your worldview can only be archived by forcing the different peoples of the world under a single identity through force, just like the Romans, Soviets, Abbasids, Ottomans and other multi-national empires did throughout the past.
Anyway, the more cultures/ethnicities/religions intermarry abd the more secular givernments become the less conflict I think there'll be. Often religion is at the forefront of preventing or at least discouraging this mixing. And if the cost is cultural diversity then so-be-it. Im already saddened by the erosion of restaurant choice, fusion sushi etc. but that's really a small price to pay. Do I care if a restaurant serves Lebanese food or turkish food or Greek food or bulgarian food? No, not really.
Intermarriage does not end conflicts at all. Here we are, in Germany, where Turks and Germans do intermarry. And what do we have? Nothing. In truth, we have even more conflict. Turkish men marry German women, and after a while, the women take away the kids to live with their own, so that they do not become "Turkish like their father", as if they could become true Germans with the Turkish blood in their veins.
Often, religions here actually encourage mixing. To be honest, you can see the islamists at the front of the "brotherhood between moslems", encouraging moslems of different ethnicities to intermarry.
Religion and politics derived from religion are always against nationalism, and tend to confirm with ideologies like humanism that dreams of uniting mankind. Under that context, I've always labeled politics that derive from religion as left-wing, as they are international, compared to right-wing politics focusing their efforts on a national level.
Besides, the reason you don't care whether a restaurant serves X-food is due to your lack of sophistication and callousness in terms of culinary pursuits, which has nothing to do with multi-culturalism or anything that relates to it. Culture is beyond food. But since the only contact that you Americans get with other cultures is food(probably the kind that is not authentic anyways) you see culture as nothing more than food. Base, simplistic and primitive.
This is why you believe that ethnic and cultural boundaries can be easily discarded, whereas it's not possible to do so unless you deprive a person of a specific ethnicity and culture his contact with his respective kin and culture.
This is what happens in America. When I immigrate to America, I'm asked to leave behind my previous identity for a new one. I become one with the new identity which tells me to discard my culture and tongue, and fully assimilate into the new one. Unless I live in one of the ethnic enclaves of immigrants that every country has nowadays, I have no other choice but to do so.
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