RE: Boy kicked out of scouts for refusing to swear allegiance to god
October 21, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Quote:Pretty damned well, but if it's besides the point why did you ask?It doesn't matter if you, or native american tribes still maintain their customs in the US. Their customs are but a shade under the common, created cultural hegemony that is true for all empires that resemble the US. Rome too, forced romanisation on most of the peoples of Europe. Where do you think that all these latin speaking peoples came from? Latinized Celts and Germans of course. The same applies for the US. The reason why we were not able to maintain our grip on the middle east and of course, the Balkans, was due to the fact that we were very bad at assimilating others into our own ranks. And of course, those people were indeed deeply rooted people, clinging to eachother, cherishing their language, customs and religion, which further made any assimilation attempts impossible.
For the US, there is the ground of common religion-Christianity.
The whole lot of the people have discarded their native tongues in favour of the english language. They have lost touch and contact with their roots, and adopted a new identity, the "American identity".
Quote:your boogeyman example arises from never having lived here.You don't have to live in the US to know these.
Quote:We do teach "immigrant languages" in schools..american english itself is an immigrant language. You will find flags in peoples cars, on and in their houses, at their businesses, tattooed on their bodies.....everywhere.By immigrant language, I meant recent immigrants. Obviously, all of you know and speak the english language. However it's quite disputable if all immigrants to America actually spoke english as their mother language. Now they know no other language but english, aside from a few people that speak french and german, and I'm fairly certain that this too, in due time, cease to exist.
Quote:Why would the federal government of the United States of America fly some other nations flag?If ethnic consciousness was high enough in the US, you'd not be a federation, but a con-federation.
Quote:Nation identity =/= cultural identityIf the nation under question is a rootless, made up nation, sure!
Even an arab and a black african can become French nowadays, but the reverse does not apply for the French. They cannot become arabs, nor can they become Turks. For us, National identity and cultural identity are the same, they are inseperable.
Quote:and hey, guess what, you can still find those flags flying all over the god-damned place.I sure know that the people of Texas love to parade their flags all over the place, however, that surely does not bring about the question of ethnic seperatism in the US.
Their consciousness is rather now only by thin association.
Quote:You'd be able to maintain your distinct customs as well in the US as you cared to (supposing that they weren't illegal...but even then......still as well as you cared to).I'm not saying that the US forces me to discard my customs by law, friend(although such things were done to red indians, converting them to christianity, teaching them the english language, forcing them to discard their customs and tribal associations, having them intermarry with others and etc. and etc.). However I'm fairly certain that circumstances and integration procedures will force me to leave my identity behind, and probably won't allow me to push our ethnic identity over the made up American identity. My children will still speak better english than they do their mother language, and their children won't probably speak any of it at all. Worse if they go and intermarry with others...It's rather impossible to maintain your own ethnic identity in a place like the US. You have to live in an isolated ethnic enclave. Like the red indians in those reserves. And look how well they fare for trying to cherish their customs. America does not reward you for it, instead, you get punished.
Knowing that US had invested a great deal of time and money to "americanize" immigrants, natives and their former slaves, I don't know how you can tell me all this stuff. The US is a nation of assimilated immigrants.
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