(October 21, 2012 at 5:12 am)cratehorus Wrote: yep they're mixed up because nazis in america are very good at propaganda,
whom are you refering to as "nazis"? Can you prove that those to whom you refer to as "nazis" are nazis?
(October 21, 2012 at 5:12 am)cratehorus Wrote: besides whatever "movement" your talking about is using libertarian as disqualifier (unless by european libertarian you mean the golden dawn party, sure hope not)
i meant individuals, organisations and political parties within a democracy, who follow "liberterianism" as ideological principle.
like for example the FDP.
(October 21, 2012 at 5:12 am)cratehorus Wrote: they likely are saying "were somethiing that's commonly viewed in OUR country as authoritarian BUT were a libertarian version of them"......
who are "they"?
is it common in countries where people speak english to be so unspecific about whom they are talking?
(October 21, 2012 at 5:12 am)cratehorus Wrote: also this leader your talking about might be homosexual, but just because someone is in that minority, doesn't mean they automatically disagree, with the idea of THAT MINORITY being a second class citizen, it's called an "uncle tom", many black people argue for white supremacy, many women argue against feminism....etc
the german liberterian party, probably didn`t publicly critisise homosexuality since the end of the Kohl era.
generaly, the issue of homosexual equality has taken a positive direction since the mayor of Berlin (Franz Wovereit) came out as a gay man.
I dont dought that the liberterian german party was homophobic in early days, but so were other political movements for a long time.
The german liberterian party is not, a officialy homophobic party.
The former head of that party and now foreign minister has never publicly spoken out against euqal rights for homosexuals.
I have the impression that you are generalising the liberterian movement on the bases of the american example and that you have created a strawman.
(October 21, 2012 at 5:12 am)cratehorus Wrote: are you kidding? we have more white supremacist groups than that in Kentucky alone
JohnDB was writing about fashism, and how white supremecy is "always" connected or always leads to fshism. fashism was and still is wide spread all arround the globe throughout different cultures and ethniceties.
Did you know that the muslim brotherhood was founded as a fashist organisation?
JohnDB might wish-think that because white-fashist movements are more common therefor all fashism is white - but that`s bullshit.
I state that every organisation which calles it`s people and "culture" supreme to others and rejects democratic goverment is fashist.
(October 21, 2012 at 5:12 am)cratehorus Wrote: ..........and quit acting like germany invented white supremacy, when they invaded poland
your "knowlege of human behavior" is frightening, or at least your delusions and the things you believe to see are. the second option is probably more likely.
(October 21, 2012 at 5:12 am)cratehorus Wrote: ............. 80% of the world speaks english....not Swahili....... white people invented fascism
the world has an estemated 6 600 000 000 inhabitants.
of those 1 800 000 000 speak english.
that`s 27 and not 80 percent.
I googled this, and unlike you, I will leave a source link:
http://askville.amazon.com/percentage-pe...Id=4200224
I thought, I could expect on an atheist, forum that only deluded religious fanatics would lie to "prove" their points, but well, i forgot that ideological fanatics dont care if their "facts" arent true, as long as they prove their world view aswell.
And in case you didn`t lie and simply assumed or wishthought: Your assumptions and wet-dreams are not facts!
by the way. why do you think that racism is always in conection with fashism.
did you know that Franklin D. Roosvelt rejected to receive Jesse Owens after he had won olympic gold.
Would you call Franklin D. Roosvelt, after all the man who led the united states, a democracy, into joining a war against fashism, a fashist?
Did you know that Stalin saw Mao and the chinese as a "weaker race", is Stalin a fashist?
Winston Churchill thought of the Indians as a "savage people, with a savage religion", is Churchill a fashist?
Of course it has to be asked if the principles of people like these, eaven although some of them call themselves "republican, democrat, citizen of a republic" arent simply fashist:
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But you cannot deny, that racism is a cultural phenomenon that has existed as a instinution and widely accepted thing throughout all western sociaties and was eaven aproved of people who were citizens and defenders of democracy.
Sociaty is a constantly moving and changeing thing in wich todays taboo might be part of tomorows normal life.