RE: Neo-Nazis Fly Under Radar
October 22, 2012 at 12:55 am
(This post was last modified: October 22, 2012 at 12:56 am by cratehorus.)
(October 21, 2012 at 5:37 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: whom are you refering to as "nazis"? Can you prove that those to whom you refer to as "nazis" are nazis?Ron Paul and his cult the american libertaryan party, the tea party, the golden dawn party from Greece..... etc........ all call "themselves" libertarians, would you consider them libertarian?
Quote:i meant individuals, organisations and political parties within a democracy, who follow "liberterianism" as ideological principle.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Democr..._(Germany) nowhere in that parties definition is the word "libertarian"
like for example the FDP.
Quote:the german liberterian party, probably didn`t publicly critisise homosexuality since the end of the Kohl era.Crypto-fascists use the term "the libertarian party" to disguise what they really are, in order to spread nazi propaganda, and their idealogy, to people that normally would reject them outright.
generaly, the issue of homosexual equality has taken a positive direction since the mayor of Berlin (Franz Wovereit) came out as a gay man.
I dont dought that the liberterian german party was homophobic in early days, but so were other political movements for a long time.
The german liberterian party is not, a officialy homophobic party.
The former head of that party and now foreign minister has never publicly spoken out against euqal rights for homosexuals.
I have the impression that you are generalising the liberterian movement on the bases of the american example and that you have created a strawman.
Hitler used the word socialist in national socialism under the advice of joseph goebells, in order to appear like a "middle of the road party", left of the right wing socialists............... and to the right of the left wing communist party.
you'd be surprised, how this word is used in america, I invite you to research ron paul and the comparisons between him and adolph hitler.
Quote:JohnDB was writing about fashism, and how white supremecy is "always" connected or always leads to fshism. fashism was and still is wide spread all arround the globe throughout different cultures and ethniceties.So, then whats the appropriate term? if not racist or fascist? then nationalist, maybe ? Ghandi was a left wing nationalist, wasn't he? ghandi was a left winger but he was technically a nationalist so by your simplified "everything is black&white" logic ghandi is racist.................
Did you know that the muslim brotherhood was founded as a fashist organisation?
JohnDB might wish-think that because white-fashist movements are more common therefor all fashism is white - but that`s bullshit.
I state that every organisation which calles it`s people and "culture" supreme to others and rejects democratic goverment is fashist.
..... left-wing nationalism might be better than right wing nationalism but it's still nationalism. So, was ghandi a racist?
Quote:the world has an estemated 6 600 000 000 inhabitants.
of those 1 800 000 000 speak english.
that`s 27 and not 80 percent.
I said spoke english, not spoken as a first language, this also included patois, and dialects. there is some debate as to how one defines a "second language" but it's considered a global language.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language
Quote:by the way. why do you think that racism is always in conection with fashism.racism is a core principle of fascism
Quote:did you know that Franklin D. Roosvelt rejected to receive Jesse Owens after he had won olympic gold.yes all those men were in albeit a lesser degree than mussolini, fascists
Would you call Franklin D. Roosvelt, after all the man who led the united states, a democracy, into joining a war against fashism, a fashist?
Did you know that Stalin saw Mao and the chinese as a "weaker race", is Stalin a fashist?
Winston Churchill thought of the Indians as a "savage people, with a savage religion", is Churchill a fashist?
Quote:Of course it has to be asked if the principles of people like these, eaven although some of them call themselves "republican, democrat, citizen of a republic" arent simply fashist:xenophobia is different than racism but it is inherently racist
But you cannot deny, that racism is a cultural phenomenon that has existed as a instinution and widely accepted thing throughout all western sociaties and was eaven aproved of people who were citizens and defenders of democracy.
Sociaty is a constantly moving and changeing thing in wich todays taboo might be part of tomorows normal life.
Societies are far more complex than to be simply, labeled "racist" or "non-racist" there is an ENORMOUS grey area. If you're denying that there is a grey area, then you're just guilty of racism as adolf hitler