Neo-Nazis Fly Under Radar

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Ron Paul and his cult the american libertaryan party, the tea party, the golden dawn party from Greece..... etc........ all call "themselves" libertarians, would you consider them libertarian?

The golden dawn party is a fashist party. The tea party (from a european view) are just dumb old men, Ron Paul?

I understand the conection betwen Tea Party and Ron Paul but Golden Dawn?
You say that a lot of fashists call themselves liberterian to disguise.
I think you simply call all liberterians fashist to avoid bringing up actual arguments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Democr..._(Germany) nowhere in that parties definition is the word "libertarian"

"neo-liberalism" if i`m not completly deceived that`s how we here in europe call liberterianism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-liberal

Crypto-fascists use the term "the libertarian party" to disguise what they really are, in order to spread nazi propaganda, and their idealogy, to people that normally would reject them outright.

What are "Crypto-fashists"? Castle Wolfenstein?

Hitler used the word socialist in national socialism under the advice of joseph goebells, in order to appear like a "middle of the road party", left of the right wing socialists............... and to the right of the left wing communist party.

I have shown before, with a 1932 campain speech from Hitler, that Hitler never tried to look like a "middle of the road party"

you'd be surprised, how this word is used in america, I invite you to research ron paul and the comparisons between him and adolph hitler.

Hitler was a drugfree vegetarian, is being a methadict on a hamburgerdiet a antifashist statement?
I dont know about you, but the scariest thing about fashism for me wasn`t that much about Hitler, but about his followers, and how it is possible that a entire population of "ordenary" citizens was convinced and indoctrinated into commiting systematic murder.
By always repeating the phrase "Hitler ordered it" you are simply giving a excuse to the people who said "i simply followed orders"
thesummerqueen meantioned before a "godwins law" a expresion i didn`t know, but which i now find very fitting for your behavior.

So, then whats the appropriate term? if not racist or fascist? then nationalist, maybe ?

analyse the political views of an individual bit by bit, and then draw conclusions out of these small bits.

Ghandi was a left wing nationalist, wasn't he? ghandi was a left winger but he was technically a nationalist so by your simplified "everything is black&white" logic ghandi is racist.................

Ghandi left wing?! Do you know why Ghandi started his movement?
Because as an attorney in south africa, he noticed that indians were treated like black people which he found disgusting. He fought the Indians were a race which was "worth more" than black people.
Would you call Ghandi a fashist?
Ghandi believed that people having to much sex in India caused earthquakes in India.
And his "economic" "spinningweel" idea, would have defenatly caused catastrophic famin of a "great leap forward" style.
Ghandi might have been great in mobilizing the Indian masses, but the more importent heros of the Indian struggle for independece are the members of the Indian National Congress such as Jawaharlal Nehru.

when concerning famous people who are hived up into heroic almoust "uncritiziseable" possitions, it is especialy importent to critizise those!
Just like Hitchens greatly did with mother theresa.

..... left-wing nationalism might be better than right wing nationalism but it's still nationalism. So, was ghandi a racist?

in short: yes! if you dont believe me read this great book:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gandhi_Behi...f_Divinity


you dont seem to understand that historicaly speaking, racism was whidly accepted all arround the world, and is only recently started to be officialy rejected. It had nothing to do with ideology - it was simply seen as a fact.

I said spoke english, not spoken as a first language, this also included patois, and dialects. there is some debate as to how one defines a "second language" but it's considered a global language.

now your just trying to talk yourself out of this mess you made for yourself. To think that 80 percent of the worlds population speak english, eaven when including those who speak as a second language is silly.
20 percent of the world population is illeterate and therefor doesn`t realy know their own individual languages.
http://www.worldliteracyfoundation.org/i...eport.html

racism is a core principle of fascism

but racism and fashism isn`t always connected. and if you think so, you are simply ignoring historic facts.

yes all those men were in albeit a lesser degree than mussolini, fascists

that is a pritty stupid answere. Franklin D. Roosvelt, Winston Churchill = Mussolini.

Eaven you must see how outrageusly stupid that statement is.

xenophobia is different than racism but it is inherently racist
Societies are far more complex than to be simply, labeled "racist" or "non-racist" there is an ENORMOUS grey area. If you're denying that there is a grey area, then you're just guilty of racism as adolf hitler

Are you not contradicting yourself? I constantly kept saying that you cannot lable every liberterian as a fashist and every racist as a fashist, aswell as in some cases some fashists aren`t racist: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindutva)
And now you come along and say there is a grey area and xenophobia and therefor racism cant be classefied so simply. But in the end you are the one who classified all liberterians as fashists.