RE: Human Value Nonexistent?
October 30, 2012 at 11:02 am
(This post was last modified: October 30, 2012 at 11:05 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 30, 2012 at 10:56 am)MysticKnight Wrote: This is a problem. I will give an example of what I'm trying to say. We are naturally inclined to believe the natural world exists and is not a dream like matrix like world.If it were a dream the dream is so convincing as to make the difference moot, eh?
Quote:Right now we imagine there can be a material like substance. It maybe very well be that it's possible, it may not be possible. Perhaps only spiritual existence is possible to constitute reality.Imagination may apply to spirits just a little more than it applies to material, because even supposing that this is a dream..it is curiously absent of spirits, and perhaps less curiously full of material.
Quote:But we chose to believe in a material world, because it helps you function better or that our instinct is that there is one. But we don't have a rational reason to believe it's even possible let alone that material world exists. At least most of us don't.You had a choice in this material world business? Well, fuck me, I didn't.
Quote:When we assume something is of worth or we measure humans in different degrees, we assume there is some measurement constituting their worth. But how that is even possible, we don't know.Because..again, we set the criteria that constitutes the measurement.....
Quote:Free-will is assumed in all this. That there is a will that has some sort of control and is praised. But we haven't proved free-will exists.Why? Perhaps no free will is involved in what criteria is set. That doesn't really change whether or not the criteria -is- set, now does it?
A canary in the mines moment if ever there were one. Rather than sticking to praise you go off on tangents about free will and dream worlds. I think the point that the train went off the tracks was when you started thinking about "praiseworthy" like it was a box that you might find out in a field somewhere "Hey fellas, look, some praiseworthy!" rather then linguistic shorthand for a set of value judgements made by human beings.
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