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Orwell's 1984 and Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451 combined?
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RE: Orwell's 1984 and Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451 combined?
Quote:Eritrea is a totalitarian state, as is Rwanda and Ethiopia, North Korea and Cuba are also generally considered surviving totalitarian systems.

This isn't about totalitarianism this is anti-communist propaganda, the exact same type that was used in the cold war, He blames totalitarianism yet does not include suadi arabia Iran but includes north korea and Cuba, what do they have to with africa????
(November 2, 2012 at 7:01 pm)cratehorus Wrote:
Quote:This leaves me too believe that fascism is fine as long as you do it right, OR that there is no such thing as fascism, in the first place.
It is absurd that you should suggest this.
why? he makes no case against fascism and is also painting the Rwanda massacres as some kind of leftist revolt, this is hysteria, the genocide was caused by decades of european colonialism, they seperated the races by which looked the most WHITE, there is no such thing as hutu or tootsi these are foreign imagined races defined by the Germans, this has nothing to do with communism so WHAAAAT???? is this part about rwanda???? This the same old line, of communists and nazis are the same thing just one speaks russian, and one speaks german

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(November 2, 2012 at 7:01 pm)cratehorus Wrote: He then begins to describe the eritrean secret police as if they are the african KGB of the 21st century,
Which they are.

(November 2, 2012 at 7:01 pm)cratehorus Wrote: but of course if any child writes an article about "alqueada in eritrea" it will be front page news,
red herring

how can you say the eritrean secret police the EPRD (which he even admits was disbanded in 1989 wink) is the KGB, a bunch of half starved prisoners who can barely aim a gun are not the same as CIA of the Soviet Union. Yet you don't beleive that if FOX news did some shitty story about written by 14 year old about alqueada and showed a guy wearing a turban in the desert with a AK-47 with the caption reading Asmara, Eritrea a since most americans have never heard of this ocuntry before, everyone would beleive it? why?????

(November 2, 2012 at 7:01 pm)cratehorus Wrote: completley leaving out the fact that outside infulences even exist in africa by simpy dimissing the whole country as isolationists,
Quote:A state can be totalitarian without being isolationist. It is convenient to control information in a totalitarian system, and therefore many totalitarian systems are relatively isolated.
so by isolationist he's refering strictly to the media which i imagine is due to propganda laws in this country something many fascist dictatorships have. But changing this words defintion as well to make his point that communism is what's wrong with africa, and fascism isn't perfect but if those are the only to choices fascism is the better one

(November 2, 2012 at 7:01 pm)cratehorus Wrote: there might not be "international headlines" but there are news reports, that your government chooses not too accept based on "legitamacy concerns"
Quote:Very few outsiders are allowed to travel to Eritrea. There is no independent press. Simply because North Korean press says something does not mean it is true, it is the same in the case of Eritrea, any press coming out of the country has been screened by the government.
independent from whom?? there are about 5 US media companies?? how many exist in Eritrea? again this is an argument about media isolationism presented as Eritrea being somewhere that people aren't allowed into asi if, it's in a walled off castle ontop of a very steep mountain, this is on the red sea, next the damned Suez Canal............. one of the largest busiest shipping routes in the world, DID THEY BUILD A FUCKING FENCE I DON'T KNOW ABOUT?

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(November 2, 2012 at 7:01 pm)cratehorus Wrote: but illegal fishing trawlers scraping the eritrean coast or illegally dumping nuclear waste, are completely left out of the discussion because the reports aren't "confirmed"
These are private companies doing these things,not the government,
bullshit, you might wanna see things this way.......... but when Halliburton dumps toxic waste in your backkyard you blame America not the current CEO, you really wanna explain to me why america should not be held responsible for their "companies" dumping toxic waste all over Africa?

Quote:Just the ones that meet the generally accepted criteria listed above.
I dont accept that criteria, that's a typical fascist trait, redefining words, and rewriting history

Here's the case for Rwanda:



I would love to stick to rwanda and eritrea right now, because I imagine he's using Ethiopia more as an 'example' of a large scale widespread "slightly dilluted" version of what's happening in Eritrea. Do you have any more, maybe something more specific about Rwanda? does he mention their history at all or does the whole thing start at kagame's presidecy like nothing ever happened before, I have a secret for you Rwanda isn't proud of it's shitty heritage (not everyone is) norare they "proud" of it's shitty white man's name, for its shitty heavily poinoned land or it's people

the whole things reads like "the Cherokee's are so proud of the their American heritage".......sounds right! but ummmmmmm no the fuck it's not
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RE: Orwell's 1984 and Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451 combined? - by cratehorus - November 3, 2012 at 11:31 pm

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