RE: Backwards nation
November 4, 2012 at 1:48 pm
(This post was last modified: November 4, 2012 at 2:04 pm by Aroura.)
(November 4, 2012 at 1:08 pm)John V Wrote:I never said they were obsessed with it, that was a word you used, not me. Red herring! It's irrelevant if they are obsessed with it or not. The point is the fact that 46% of Americans actively disbelieve science. And you don't think this is a factor in the US's declining state of education, technology, medicine, and science??...... Ok, then.(November 4, 2012 at 12:35 pm)Aroura Wrote: 46% of Americans believe in Creationism!Belief does not equal obsession. Do you consider all who accept evolution to be obsessed with it?
(November 4, 2012 at 1:08 pm)John V Wrote:That's just 100% innaccurate. It is actually being taught in some public schools in the US.Quote:It's not a "peripheral issue", in 31 states creationists are trying to pass laws to get it taught in schools alongside evolution as an "alternate theory". And some have already managed to get those laws passed!This law does not allow creationism to be taught alongside evolution. If that's tried under the law, the law will likely be challenged in court and struck down, as others have been. Until creationists are actually successful in getting it taught in public schools, it's pretty tought to blame them for American decline.
Tennesee law passed to teach creationism in public schools
That is be teaching religion in public schools.
Evolution in public schools
Quote:There are states that teach the criticisms of evolution, such as Kansas and Ohio. And others who teach Creationism along with evolution, including Kentucky. Colorado and New York are two states that do teach evolution, but it is up to the schools, teachers, and counties on how this subject is taught and portrayed to the students.
Certainly, when anyone bothers to challenge it in court, they are told to stop, but it isn't always challenged when it happens.
And it most certainly is being taught to the children in private christian schools all over the country, as well as many home schoolers.
Stop trying to marginalize this issue by pretending it doesn't exist.
Creationist textbook
(November 4, 2012 at 1:08 pm)John V Wrote: Like this:
Quote:Without an understanding of evolution, most modern day vaccines could not have been developed. Without an understanding of physics, radioactive isotopes and HOW THINGS AGE, your computer could not exist. Or your watch, your flat screen TV, etc.See? Assertions without support.
The Berkley article is especially enlightening on how, specifically, scientific understanding of evolution alone impacts our daily lives.
And if you don't understand why physics is necessary for modern technology, I'm not even going to google that for you, as evidence is sitting right in front of you!
(November 4, 2012 at 1:44 pm)John V Wrote:I typed up my whole reply, but now I see it was a complete waste of time. His example directly referenced evolution of disease causing organisms. You must have dismissed it without even looking at it!(November 4, 2012 at 1:32 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Evolution be here!Where? It says nothing of evolution in what you quote. I was just reading up on the development of the polio vaccine and it likewise didn't mention evolution. Vaccine development came from knowledge of how viruses and antibodies currently work. How they came to be that way wasn't important.
Quote:Physics be here!NSS. As noted, the creationist disupte in the realm of physics is in age of the universe, which isn't a factor in the examples you gave.
Example: Climate change denial is DIRECTLY tied into the denial of the true age of the universe. This could impact us in the most extreme way possible!!! And if you don't think that climate change is an important issue, then you are a lost cause.
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