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Orwell's 1984 and Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451 combined?
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RE: Orwell's 1984 and Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451 combined?
(November 4, 2012 at 9:23 am)festive1 Wrote: Absolutely nothing. This was intended to be examples of other totalitarian systems in the world, not an all inclusive list. Saudi Arabia and some other middle eastern and African regimes, such as Equatorial Guinea, correspond to Max Weber's definition of sultanistic regimes, which are a close cousin to totalitarian regimes. However, these systems are based on theocratic or nepotistic principles rather than an overarching political ideology. Iran is arguably a theocracy, and although repressive does contain some social autonomy and democratic elements, therefore, it is not totalitarian.
No, it's a very specific list stating all communists are totalitarian, all political ideology's are cults, and everyone should just be religous, this is the same ilk that says atheism is a religion, im sure there's an argument or two against that logic on this website alone. Ask him who he thinks is a worse dictator (because of course all non-americans are dictators) Stalin or Hitler, he will say well of course there both bad....but here's several complicated versions of why Stalin was in fact worse.


Quote:The colonial legacy was significant in the Rwandan conflict, however, the fundamental problem there was political. The problem is fundamentally a struggle for political power, not ethnic dominance.
this is anti-communist propaganda next you'll be blaming jim crow laws on karl marx, suggesting that any...... ANY genocide had nothing to with race is FUCKING INSANE!!!

Quote:The police apparatus in Eritrea is still alive and well. The fact of the matter is, Eritrean prisons are filled with thousands of people who have been caught trying to flee the country or avoid military service, which is compulsory. There are more journalists imprisoned in Eritrea than anywhere else in the world, per Reporters without Borders. The entire population lives in fear.
This may or may not be true, but it still not "isolationism", youve changed the words definition to serve your goal you'll change it back the second it benefits your pre-conceived political motivations. So now we have the word totalitarian being changed to "max weber's" definition (a german politician from the 1920's.) who had barely anything to do with forming the defintion of the word totalitarianism. but since you brought him up here's what most "politcal scientists" think of max webner:

Quote:Weber's explanations are highly specific to the historical periods he analysed. This makes it more difficult to generalise from his analysis and modify his theories for other circumstances.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Weber#C...s_to_Weber
he's an anti communist propagandanist who supported the weimar republic...... not exactly the smartest fuckin guy in the world

Quote:A state can be totalitarian without being isolationist. It is convenient to control information in a totalitarian system, and therefore many totalitarian systems are relatively isolated

isolationism has little, to nothing to do with totalitarianism, your the one who added this criteria to the definition, and now your taking back? WOW!!! that was fast...........

Quote:Not quite sure how you are getting a pro-fascist argument from this piece? Both communism and fascism are totalitarian ideologies, which very few people would assert are positive for those living under such systems of governance.
he's not mentioning fascism, and hes describing all political ideologies as fascism, you leave out the monorchies and right wing theocracies that do 10x as worse damage to their own "country" and then rant about cuba and rwanda being the same, yeah that's pure anti-communsit pro-fascist propaganda, why are monarchies different? because they beleive in god maybe hmmm? That's old cold war era bullshit that hes probably been fed his whole entire life and he's just regurgitating

Quote:Nope, no fence you don't know about. They still have more journalists imprisoned than anywhere else on the globe.
YAY I JUST LEARNED SOMETHING!!! too bad its a fucking lie....... Turkey has the most followed by Iran, only 2 TWO have been killed in eritrea it's probably the worst left wing government.... I think that's what he means

Quote: This piece is about totalitarian systems in Africa, it is not intended to be a defense of the American media. The American media is not controlled by the US government, however much it may be dominated by a handful of companies.
where a fucking fascist aka corporatist nation.........hey!!! guess who owns most of rush limbaugh and glenn beck and all those assholes..........Mitt the shit Romney......so stop the whole "US has free media" bullshit

Quote:And this is devolving... rapidly...
devolving from what exactly? you telling im wrong? if that's devolving then I must be winning!

Quote:The points you are making are making less and less sense.
good if what I said made sense to someone like you right off the bat I'd be very upset
Quote: You have obviously never been to any of these places and it is unclear where you are getting your information.
for all you know im related to one of the people your husbands writing about.......
Quote:My husband last visited Eritrea in 1992, but has since been unable to get a visa. He last visited Rwanda, Ethiopia, and Equatorial Guinea in July 2012.
HOLY SHIT There's an American in Africa????? HE MUST BE THA SMARDEST MAN ALIIIIVE!!!!!!!!!
Quote:Your objective seems to be to denounce the US government or dismiss this piece as a work of American propaganda.
dismissing it as propganda would probably be closer to what I am doing but I didn't start out that way....if that helps????????

Quote:I'm bored with this. I feel I have made the case that totalitarian systems do exist, which was my original intent. I'm over my case of, "Someone is wrong on the internet." You can be wrong, it's fine by me.
YAAAAAAAAYYYYYY I WIN!!!!!!!!!!!! I WIN! I WIN! I WIN!

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RE: Orwell's 1984 and Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451 combined? - by cratehorus - November 4, 2012 at 8:26 pm

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