RE: Graphic Depiction of Torture - the Crucifix
November 6, 2012 at 12:55 am
(This post was last modified: November 6, 2012 at 12:56 am by Ciel_Rouge.)
Oh my 
The Xtians talk about love all the time but I really love ;-) it when they suddenly have those spikes of "intense pitchfork-waving hatred mode".
And even though Drich is referring to me as "this _____" and refuses to normally participate in the discussion, I will still comment on his points.
Movie/video game violence is NOT OK. And it is particularly not OK when little children are exposed to it. If I had children, I would not expose them to this shit. But I know a lot of Xtians do. In an internet cafe I once saw a girl about 5 or 7 who started playing a game and smashed her enemies' brains out with some kind of riffle. Her parents were present and to them it was perfectly OK. Needless to say, it happened in a very religious country and the parents happened to be Orthodox Xtians. I do not understand why you like hatred and violence so much. I even tend to think that "the western culture of movies and violence" is somehow indirectly supported and indirectly originates from the "culture of crosses".
And yes, the crucifix IS offensive. If a faihtful one wants to display a symbol of their faith, why not the Xtian fish, the face of Christ or whatever? Why does it have to be a depiction of torture or the tool of torture? If you wish to commemorate what Christ did, why not wear something else? If for example I wanted to commemorate a person who sacrificed oneself for someone else and died in a crash or something, I would not do it by displaying photos of this person's guts and brains lying around the car would I?
So a graphic depiction of torture or a less graphic but still disturbing depiction of a tool of torture is the symbol of love... You are so twisted... I see Christianity loves twisting things like that - torture is love, hate is good etc.
That was really a good one. A religion known for censorship, book-burning and even people-burning that always repressed free thought suddenly becomes the one who is being opressed. Nope sir, your crosses are everywhere and they are dripping with blood, not only Christ's blood. Nobody attempts to "censor" them. But I do not wish to be bombarded with graphic imagery of torture of any kind. Period.
I suppose this is some kind of a very well known rhetoric trick used by the Xtians - allocating one's own methods to your adversary. What you described is exactly what you Xtians are doing. You do not give any reasoning behind your religious views. I on the other hand was willing to show argumentation against depictions of dying men hanging from little chidlrens' necks. Why not a depiction of Christ when he was alive or ascended? Why does it have to be a dying Christ? Because the church wants to scare people into submission, it wants to show us humans that we are weak and therefore should be afraid. I am afraid. I am afraid of people who offend me with imagery of violence and suddenly have a fit of anger when I ask them to explain.
The Xtians talk about love all the time but I really love ;-) it when they suddenly have those spikes of "intense pitchfork-waving hatred mode".
And even though Drich is referring to me as "this _____" and refuses to normally participate in the discussion, I will still comment on his points.
(November 5, 2012 at 11:30 pm)Drich Wrote: Otherwise i would have to spend time establishing that this person is Of the westen culture of movies and violence and then would have to listen to him defend why movie/video game violence is ok, but a 1" by1/2" cross worn around the neck of the faithful is offensive.
Movie/video game violence is NOT OK. And it is particularly not OK when little children are exposed to it. If I had children, I would not expose them to this shit. But I know a lot of Xtians do. In an internet cafe I once saw a girl about 5 or 7 who started playing a game and smashed her enemies' brains out with some kind of riffle. Her parents were present and to them it was perfectly OK. Needless to say, it happened in a very religious country and the parents happened to be Orthodox Xtians. I do not understand why you like hatred and violence so much. I even tend to think that "the western culture of movies and violence" is somehow indirectly supported and indirectly originates from the "culture of crosses".
And yes, the crucifix IS offensive. If a faihtful one wants to display a symbol of their faith, why not the Xtian fish, the face of Christ or whatever? Why does it have to be a depiction of torture or the tool of torture? If you wish to commemorate what Christ did, why not wear something else? If for example I wanted to commemorate a person who sacrificed oneself for someone else and died in a crash or something, I would not do it by displaying photos of this person's guts and brains lying around the car would I?
So a graphic depiction of torture or a less graphic but still disturbing depiction of a tool of torture is the symbol of love... You are so twisted... I see Christianity loves twisting things like that - torture is love, hate is good etc.
(November 5, 2012 at 11:30 pm)Drich Wrote: Then i would be inclined to show this persons bigotted response as just another attempt to censor religion.
That was really a good one. A religion known for censorship, book-burning and even people-burning that always repressed free thought suddenly becomes the one who is being opressed. Nope sir, your crosses are everywhere and they are dripping with blood, not only Christ's blood. Nobody attempts to "censor" them. But I do not wish to be bombarded with graphic imagery of torture of any kind. Period.
(November 5, 2012 at 11:30 pm)Drich Wrote: This is the utilmate goal of 'morality.' To justify what one likes and to villify what one is apposed to with absolutly no accountablity or reasoning behind it.
I suppose this is some kind of a very well known rhetoric trick used by the Xtians - allocating one's own methods to your adversary. What you described is exactly what you Xtians are doing. You do not give any reasoning behind your religious views. I on the other hand was willing to show argumentation against depictions of dying men hanging from little chidlrens' necks. Why not a depiction of Christ when he was alive or ascended? Why does it have to be a dying Christ? Because the church wants to scare people into submission, it wants to show us humans that we are weak and therefore should be afraid. I am afraid. I am afraid of people who offend me with imagery of violence and suddenly have a fit of anger when I ask them to explain.
