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Contradiction of greatest
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RE: Contradiction of greatest
(October 2, 2009 at 11:56 am)Eilonnwy Wrote: By the moral criteria you assert, with the exception of belief.

Yet the person is NOT "relatively good" by Christian moral criteria. Just because the life of Joe Atheist seemed to correspond to a brief selection of God's commands, the relationship between his conduct and God's commands was coincidental, not intentional (viz. his convictions and motivations had nothing to do with God). Under the Christian worldview, morality is grounded in the nature of God and expressed prescriptively in his commands; that means no act is moral or immoral in and of itself, but rather in how it relates to the nature and will of God. So getting married, having children, giving to charity, etc., such things are not in themselves good, but rather only when they are informed and influenced by the nature and will of God. Predicating morality on humanity is consistent with a Humanist model but not with a Christian model, which posits God, not man, as the final reference point of all predication.

But even IF some things in his life corresponds to Christian moral precepts, he cannot be considered relatively good if MOST things he does violates them; i.e., if his life is consistent with 12 commands yet violates 240 other commands, then by definition he is relatively bad (95%), not relatively good, a position that is not helped by passages such as James 4:17.

(October 2, 2009 at 11:56 am)Eilonnwy Wrote: So that brings me to my next question: Do these "wicked" people go to hell?

Would someone who is tried and convicted on several hundred criminal charges go to jail?

(October 2, 2009 at 11:56 am)Eilonnwy Wrote: And what is hell from your Christian perspective?

Gehenna, "the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone" in which the damned, all the works of man, Satan and death itself are destroyed forever, "which is the second death." I belong to the 'conditional immortality' school of biblical thought, arguing that since the Bible says (i) God alone is immortal and (ii) immortality is a gift that is given only to the saved at the Second Coming, then it is must follow that the damned are completely annihilated. Eternal torment requires immortality, which only the saved are given. (I also deny the existence of the soul, as commonly conceived from Platonic thought.)
Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when
called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason.
(Oscar Wilde)
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Contradiction of greatest - by Xyster - September 18, 2009 at 4:48 pm
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by LukeMC - September 18, 2009 at 4:52 pm
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Violet - September 18, 2009 at 5:32 pm
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Dotard - September 18, 2009 at 8:02 pm
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by GrayAreas - September 28, 2009 at 12:49 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by theVOID - September 28, 2009 at 1:03 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by fr0d0 - September 28, 2009 at 3:51 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Ryft - September 28, 2009 at 3:55 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Amphora - September 30, 2009 at 11:28 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by fr0d0 - September 30, 2009 at 11:56 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Retorth - September 30, 2009 at 12:05 pm
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Amphora - September 30, 2009 at 12:16 pm
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by fr0d0 - September 30, 2009 at 12:07 pm
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Retorth - September 30, 2009 at 12:10 pm
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Rhizomorph13 - September 30, 2009 at 1:01 pm
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Retorth - September 30, 2009 at 12:18 pm
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Edwardo Piet - September 30, 2009 at 1:04 pm
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Ryft - October 1, 2009 at 2:53 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Eilonnwy - October 1, 2009 at 9:48 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Minimalist - October 1, 2009 at 10:55 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Ryft - October 1, 2009 at 6:12 pm
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Eilonnwy - October 1, 2009 at 7:45 pm
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Violet - October 1, 2009 at 7:48 pm
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by theblindferrengi - October 1, 2009 at 8:35 pm
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Ryft - October 2, 2009 at 2:58 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Ace Otana - October 2, 2009 at 6:52 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Eilonnwy - October 2, 2009 at 11:56 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Ryft - October 4, 2009 at 4:29 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by amw79 - October 4, 2009 at 7:10 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Ryft - October 4, 2009 at 7:43 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by amw79 - October 4, 2009 at 8:36 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Ryft - October 4, 2009 at 9:03 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by amw79 - October 4, 2009 at 9:14 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Ryft - October 5, 2009 at 12:23 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by amw79 - October 5, 2009 at 11:11 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Eilonnwy - October 6, 2009 at 9:02 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Retorth - October 4, 2009 at 1:35 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Xyster - October 5, 2009 at 2:35 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Meatball - October 8, 2009 at 11:32 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by fr0d0 - October 8, 2009 at 4:06 pm
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Ryft - October 8, 2009 at 5:59 pm
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Eilonnwy - October 9, 2009 at 9:35 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by amw79 - October 9, 2009 at 4:03 pm
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Ryft - October 13, 2009 at 11:34 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by amw79 - October 13, 2009 at 12:26 pm
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Eilonnwy - October 14, 2009 at 10:21 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Ryft - October 19, 2009 at 6:27 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by amw79 - October 19, 2009 at 8:24 am
RE: Contradiction of greatest - by Edwardo Piet - October 19, 2009 at 9:57 am

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