Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat

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Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat

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RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat

November 28, 2012 at 4:23 am (This post was last modified: November 28, 2012 at 4:25 am by CliveStaples.)

(November 27, 2012 at 4:24 pm)Shell B Wrote: Really? I'm not saying it is ridiculously less traumatic. I am saying it is not rape. If you don't use your sexual organs, it is not rape, as it is not sex.

Does a prosthetic penis count? When, say, two people are engaging in some sort of sexual activity, it might be that one penetrates the other with a fake penis. That isn't "sex"?

Or perhaps you meant "it is not sexual intercourse".

Quote:It would be for me. I would still be traumatized, but not knowing for six or more months if I was going to die from an STD is extremely traumatic. I'll give you that it is probably different for people with OCD, but I still imagine that knowing you're not going to catch anything awful or get pregnant alleviates a lot of the shame and fear that comes immediately after rape.

Hmm. I doubt that. I doubt that it eliminates "a lot" of the shame and fear.

Quote:Yes.

Right, so if someone had prosthetic skin, you wouldn't be afraid of physical contact with them? Since it is specifically skin-to-skin contact that you're afraid of?

Quote:No. Have you ever had sex with a condom on? Skin still touches, dude.

A sufficiently large condom on a sufficiently large object could ensure that no skin-to-skin contact occurs either vaginally or anally. Unless you're including things like the rapist's hands (which could be gloved).

Quote:Are you seriously this hung up on it? Again, what does this have to do with the conversation at hand. Rape is rape. All sexual assault is not rape. Fingering someone is not rape. I didn't define rape. All you have to do is Google it. I'm not sure why you need my help with it.

Yes, because I was arguing that "rape isn't rape".

I brought up non-penile forcible insertions because it seemed to me to fit your criteria for what makes rape so vile--"violation of one's body", "a violation of the person's very being", etc. So the gulf between rape and "non-penile forcible insertion" (e.g., a fake penis) seems like a distinction without a difference (modulo concerns regarding pregnancy and disease, which you have asserted contributes a "lot" to the shame and fear caused by rape).

(November 27, 2012 at 5:15 pm)Chuck Wrote:
(November 27, 2012 at 3:45 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: I didn't think this could be so complicated.

He is inadvertently letting show the inner demons that made what could have been a man into a mere Christian.

What the fuck? I'm not a man because I'm saying that there are actions other than rape that seem to entail the same or similar violations of one's person? How does that make me less of a man?

Oh, well, you're probably just trolling anyway.

“The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.”

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Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Shell B - November 25, 2012 at 12:19 am

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Annik - November 25, 2012 at 12:37 am

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Shell B - November 25, 2012 at 10:22 am

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by TaraJo - November 25, 2012 at 11:04 am

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by cratehorus - November 26, 2012 at 5:05 am

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by cratehorus - November 25, 2012 at 4:27 am

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Gilgamesh - November 25, 2012 at 4:30 am

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by KichigaiNeko - November 25, 2012 at 5:06 am

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by festive1 - November 25, 2012 at 9:45 am

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by TaraJo - November 25, 2012 at 10:19 am

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Shell B - November 25, 2012 at 11:13 am

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Anomalocaris - November 25, 2012 at 12:42 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Shell B - November 25, 2012 at 1:09 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Anomalocaris - November 25, 2012 at 1:32 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Shell B - November 25, 2012 at 2:32 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Anomalocaris - November 26, 2012 at 4:03 am

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Something completely different - November 25, 2012 at 1:33 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by The Grand Nudger - November 25, 2012 at 2:35 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Gambit - November 25, 2012 at 2:46 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Shell B - November 25, 2012 at 2:53 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Gambit - November 25, 2012 at 3:12 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by The Grand Nudger - November 25, 2012 at 3:26 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Shell B - November 25, 2012 at 3:37 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by The Grand Nudger - November 25, 2012 at 8:25 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Shell B - November 25, 2012 at 9:09 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by The Grand Nudger - November 26, 2012 at 12:35 am

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Cato - November 26, 2012 at 1:47 am

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Shell B - November 26, 2012 at 1:29 am

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by The Grand Nudger - November 26, 2012 at 1:56 am

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Creed of Heresy - November 26, 2012 at 2:34 am

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Shell B - November 26, 2012 at 10:49 am

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by cratehorus - November 30, 2012 at 11:57 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by festive1 - November 26, 2012 at 5:53 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by JohnDG - November 27, 2012 at 3:41 am

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Shell B - November 27, 2012 at 11:18 am

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Anomalocaris - November 27, 2012 at 1:31 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by CliveStaples - November 27, 2012 at 1:37 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Anomalocaris - November 27, 2012 at 1:48 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by festive1 - November 27, 2012 at 1:51 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by CliveStaples - November 27, 2012 at 1:56 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Anomalocaris - November 27, 2012 at 1:54 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Shell B - November 27, 2012 at 2:16 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by CliveStaples - November 27, 2012 at 2:23 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Shell B - November 27, 2012 at 2:45 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by CliveStaples - November 27, 2012 at 3:18 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Anomalocaris - November 27, 2012 at 2:23 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by festive1 - November 27, 2012 at 2:40 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Shell B - November 27, 2012 at 3:25 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by CliveStaples - November 27, 2012 at 3:38 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Shell B - November 27, 2012 at 4:24 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by CliveStaples - November 28, 2012 at 4:23 am

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by festive1 - November 28, 2012 at 8:06 am

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Anomalocaris - November 28, 2012 at 2:59 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - November 27, 2012 at 3:45 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Anomalocaris - November 27, 2012 at 5:15 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by Shell B - November 28, 2012 at 11:18 am

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 2:51 pm

RE: Women in the Military More Likely to Be Traumatized by Sexual Assault Than Combat - by The Grand Nudger - November 28, 2012 at 3:22 pm

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