(October 4, 2009 at 3:10 pm)Ace Wrote: That's if god exists of course.
Sin and hell are only concepts but am willing to debate more into the subject.
If you want
Quote:So good people are being tortured all the time despite the reasons to not believe due to total lack of supporting evidence in a supernatural non-tempral unprovable being? Com'on! There are some pretty good reasons to reject the whole religious thing. To be turtured for it shows god is not all loving at all. Good thing there is no such thing as a god or a hell.
I made the point of saying you are saved only through Jesus Christ, not only those who are christians. I think there are those you can't be blamed for not following Christ and there are those you obviously reject Him. I think God saves people in strange ways and people you may not expect in heaven may be there, but that isn't an excuse not to be a christian. I dont think there is a lack of reason to believe in God, I think theres a lack of will to accept Him.
Quote:Sin is just a concept.
So by what you've said, no matter how good you are you still end up being tortured for all eternity? Doesn't sound at all fair. God is far from moral and all loving if what you've said is true.
Doesn't sound fair to reject the God who died for you ether. I don't think simply being good saves you, theres more to it than that. If your a 'moral' person but obviously rejecting God how can being good compensate for that rejection.
Quote:It's not a fact of wanting god it's about not believing in his existence. Until there is any real evidence of such a place or thing, I will rest assured that god is not real and nor is any hell or heaven. Nothing to worry about. Just the normal religious bullshit to be ignored.
If scientific evidence is the only way to know God properly how would have people known God before modern science came along?
Mark Taylor: "Religious conflict will be less a matter of struggles between belief and unbelief than of clashes between believers who make room for doubt and those who do not."
Einstein: “The most unintelligible thing about nature is that it is intelligible”
Einstein: “The most unintelligible thing about nature is that it is intelligible”