RE: FallentoReason 2.0
December 7, 2012 at 2:33 pm
(This post was last modified: December 7, 2012 at 2:37 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(December 7, 2012 at 2:21 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Yeah, I understand what you mean but ID still has a specific definition. Perhaps a different term is in order. Actually, we already have one. It's called "deism" (with a lower case "d" as it is philosophy, not religion, btw).I'm just ribbing you man.
Quote:Interesting. I'd not thought of it that way. I still think that since evolution is neutral on the whole God issue, one could go either way. Again, this is philosophy, not science here.Well, it's not actually nuetral on the issue of our being tweaked by god. We have no evidence that this occurred, and we would expect to...and we know where to look.....
Quote:Look at it another way, isn't artificial selection still "evolution". We bred dogs from wolves. We breed horses. We've grown bananas differently than they are found in the wild. This is still "evolution" AFAIK (someone who's a Biologist, please correct me if I'm wrong but it's my understanding that artificial selection involves the same mechanic as natural selection, just over shorter time spans).Sure, it's EbAS as opposed to EbNS. The underlying process is the same though the agent of selection is marginally different. We have evidence that we bred dogs from wolves, we have evidence that we selectively bred horses, we have evidence that we hybridized bananas (one of my favorites btw). How are these things similar to the un-evidenced tweaking by an un-evidenced agent that you've proposed?
Quote:I thought I'd already answered that question. Instinct and so many things coming together in our evolution.Meh, perhaps I should phrase this more specifically...why do you think that these things are evidence of such a tweaking?
Instinct, if you're okay with this...isn't going to cut the mustard for me. If you absolutely have to keep the instinct card alive I'm just going to pull a contradictory instinctual card. We won't get anywhere that way will we? In any case, I'm going to call a spade a spade here, your instinct is your belief. You've eseentially said that your belief in this tweaker and tweaking is evidence of the tweaker and tweaking.
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