(October 7, 2009 at 11:34 am)Ace Wrote: Ever heard of lack of evidence? There is no evidence to suggest that jesus was god. I reject the claim you've made. There is every reason to.
So you know for a fact there is no evidence and theres no possiblility you may have missed it?
Quote:Quote:Doesn't sound fair to reject the God who died for you etherYou have yet to provide evidence for your assertions.
Your last comment was criticism assuming there was a God so I replied on that assumption too.
Quote:Quote:If scientific evidence is the only way to know God properly how would have people known God before modern science came along?It's called using your imagination.
I mean assume there is a God for a second and according to you you seem to say the only real evidence in scientific evidence. In that case how would people have known God before modern science?
(October 7, 2009 at 11:54 am)chatpilot Wrote: solar you love to harp on about Jesus dying for our sins etc. But when you come to think of it what kind of sacrifice did he do if he came back to life? A sacrifice usually implies dying as in the animals sacrificed in the O.T. and staying dead. Where the shedding of your blood would be the atonement for your sins.
Not only that but crucifixion was a common practice in the Roman empire so it's not like Jesus if he ever existed was the only one ever crucified in history. There are several things that convince me that Jesus as an historical figure did not exist.
1. There is no secular evidence outside of the scriptures that he existed.
2. His coming back to life nullifies his sacrifice.
3. There is no evidence that he was "the Son of God".
When you really think about it many people have suffered 10 times over what Jesus allegedly suffered. If you have any doubts about that ask any living Holocaust survivor. Even the church martyrs suffered more horrible and painful deaths than Christ.
Jesus death has alot to do with explaining hell and is also one of the main points of christianity.
1) There are other books other than the bible that talk about Jesus. At the very least you have to accept He was a real man who preached, was crucified by romans and who diciples thought was Lord. To think anything else is not historical, be it an atheist or theist historian.
2) I don't think the sacrifice is just based on the horrible pain of the cross or dying. In fact I think the thing that hurt Jesus the most was having the sins of the world put on Him and being separated from the Father. Isn't it a huge act of humility for the creator of the universe to be born as a creature then ripped and killed by the ones He created and having their sin put on Him as He dies by their hands?
3) I think there is
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