Ex-Christians

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...I'd much rather physically help a good cause than pray for a good outcome.

Me too. See? We have something in common.

But according to you prayer works? It doesn't, but just pretending it does for the sake of debate, why would you physically help rather than pray? This makes fuck all sense if prayer REALLY DOES WORK? Fuck all sense.

The operative words here are ;
...I'd much rather physically help a good cause than pray for a good outcome.

I didnt say I'd rather NOT pray at all.
I didnt say I can physically do anything/everything and dont need help.

I agree, if we were self-sufficient and didnt need any help then prayer would be redundant.

But last time I checked, we need help. We dont know everything. We make mistakes. There are things beyond our control. Many hands make light work. The Lord helps those who help themself..(wait! is that even in the bible?)

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Theologically, Christianity holds that theres something ELSE about help from God which goes beyond us asking for His help. (Prayer)

The doctrine holds that help from God is most noticeable when it is withdrawn.

Then we get our selfish and stupid wish granted for Him to leave us alone.